I’ve always wondered why conservatives insist on coming to the fediverse when conventional networks are more appealing to them and their ideals nowadays. Or is that still not enough?
Bingo. These are the same people who will say that most political violence comes from the left while removing a study showing the opposite: a study about a statistical trend that has been well known and documented for longer than I’ve been alive.
They don’t care. Their beliefs shape shift to fit whatever is most expedient in the moment. They will openly lie to your face, without even trying to hide that it’s a lie while they smile and say they’re being honest. The people who gaslit the nation about project 2025 only to have cabinet members gleeposting about implementing it on social media.
Truth is irrelevant and reality is an inconvenience. Hypocrisy is as dead to them as the corpse of civility they prop up whenever it suits their narrative.
They lie because they believe they’ll be part of the “in-group”, while in reality, they are going to be censored the moment their higher-up has the ability to turn on them without retribution.
When I was a conservative piece of shit, in my younger days, I had the most outlandish bumper stickers you can imagine. Probably more outlandish than you can imagine, actually, 99.9% likelihood. There were quite a few. I knew I was being an ass and I loved when it offended people, because I was miserable. Someone was paying attention to me. I was getting a reaction. I existed! Anyway, yeah, it can be as simple as “they get off on ruining your day cuz they’re miserable pieces of shit.” Speaking from experience.
Take mushrooms in Amsterdam, say “it’s not doing anything” and also take your sister-in-law’s portion (turns out everyone is going to bed so you’re on your own for this first psilocybin trip, which should make it easier to…)
Cry for five to six hours, finally lose religion and 80-90 pounds (over next 6-12 months), get medicated for ADHD (not currently, but sure helps), continue occasionally microdosing and/or smoking pot until everything finishes clicking.
That video is like a weirdly nostalgic confessional of my time in D.C. I was a huge piece of shit. Systematic theology book. Capitol Hill job. Little bitty bow ties. Speakeasies. Pork stuffed potatoes at Dixie Bones. People can change.
Same reason why tankies don’t just move to China, or why some Canadians had Trump bumperstickers: the point is to take over and wield authority as a weapon. Of course they try to invade and pollute every space they can and muddy waters wherever possible.
They go everywhere because even if a bunch of people are like “fuck off nazis” there will be a few people that are like “oh hey you have some good ideas”.
That’s why they’ve been recruiting online since the beginning of the internet. Capture whoever you can that’s sympathetic and keep bolstering numbers by any means necessary. Worked out pretty well for them
FOSS is for everyone. Not wanting to be dependent on big tech isn’t uniquely a leftist ideal, and it should be obvious by now that the political affiliation and community guidelines of big tech companies are entirely dependent on the current political landscape, not any moral values or held ideals, and can change at any moment.
Why would we want to talk to MAGA assholes who want to eradicate most of the userbase?
They’re allowed to make an instance, the software can’t stop them. They’re not required to be federated with.
Just like how you can say anything you want, you’re not required to have someone listen to it, or not have someone speak their mind about it back to you.
Because I don’t want to interact with them outside of very specific, and sporadic, questions. Their presence is an active detriment to me. Let them go back to truth social.
Is your argument here that your preferred way to deal with cockroaches is to let them have the run of your house? Hard to red anything rose out of that, given the context.
I need you to work on your reading comprehension and try again. Not going to spoon-feed you what I’m saying if you’re here asking me to spell shit out for you friend. Also this is not endorsement of said implications either.
Ohh that’s cos the left killed the guy who wanted free speech. Now they playing by your rules. You did this to yourself. The irony is palpable.
U wanted a culture war, u wanted to silence free speech. You are now subject to the paradox of tolerance. You could not tolerate descenting opinions so your opinions cannot he tolerated. Ohh the irony.
I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
Sounds like they were playing by his rules? We both know there’s no evidence “the left” killed him but hey we all know how conservatives feel about facts right?
We both know he was datings someone trans. He had hundreds of hours in a game called “furry shades of gay”. Does either of those things sound like right wing to you?
When living in the US, it seemed American conservatives seemed mostly to be oligarch shills and with very shallow and performative beliefs.
Mind you, I think there needs to be balance of sorts between left and right, competition to keep both sides honest. But this doesn’t apply to American “conservatives” who at least at the high level seemed to mostly consist of demagogues.
The “marketplace of ideas” phrase is a perfect example of the theatrical and performative nature of American conservativism.
Don’t lie to urself we both know that both parties are just as corrupt and bought out by corporate interests. The lefts beliefs are just as performative. Empathy for all people unless they say words we don’t like. Gun violence is bad and we should ban all guns but its OK to shoot some people for their opinions.
If the communists are to be tolerated so must the Nazis. Communism is responsible for more deaths than the Nazis their is no argument for one that does not also lend value to the other. I’m of the persuasion that both those ideologies are evil and wrong but those ideas must be combatted by rational discussion and the only way to do that is allow all to speek.
I’m neither a conservative or a democrat. I’m in fact not even a fucking American twat. But I have beliefs that strongly align with both sides and beliefs that strongly oppose both sides. Only in the struggle between ideas can actual change happen. Only through challenging the mind can greater ideas be formed. Fuck the political parties its not a football game where we choose sides and cheer for the downfall of our opponents it as a philosophical dance of ideas where the best shall eclipse all teams.
The marketplace of ideas is an idea it is a concept it is not consecrate it is not progressive it is its own thing and it requires all sides take part. Lemmy is a hard left echo chamber I would like to see lemmy represent the average person to grant all people a voice in the great marketplace of ideas. And to do this we need the rightwingers.
I never said anything about US democrats (who are centre-right) or leftists. And where did I say you are American or even that you are a conservative or Democrat. Why are you bringing this up?
I said something very specific, that US conservatives are beholden to oligarchs and even their alleged deeply held beliefs do not pass the basic smell test if you’ve lived in different countries / speak different languages and so on (this is true irrespective of you political views). It’s like claiming the United Russia party has deeply held beliefs. This is a ridiculous proposition.
Making claims that “US conservatives support the marketplace ideas” is exactly the kind of thing that brings up massive red flags. Conservative/Progressive refers to broad political alignment. You can have people in both camps who support the marketplace of ideas and those that don’t. You can also have people who like to make statements about supporting the marketplace of ideas for superficial reasons.
I’ve always wondered why conservatives insist on coming to the fediverse when conventional networks are more appealing to them and their ideals nowadays. Or is that still not enough?
Ideals don’t matter to them, what matters is spreading their propaganda far and wide.
Bingo. These are the same people who will say that most political violence comes from the left while removing a study showing the opposite: a study about a statistical trend that has been well known and documented for longer than I’ve been alive.
They don’t care. Their beliefs shape shift to fit whatever is most expedient in the moment. They will openly lie to your face, without even trying to hide that it’s a lie while they smile and say they’re being honest. The people who gaslit the nation about project 2025 only to have cabinet members gleeposting about implementing it on social media.
Truth is irrelevant and reality is an inconvenience. Hypocrisy is as dead to them as the corpse of civility they prop up whenever it suits their narrative.
They lie because they believe they’ll be part of the “in-group”, while in reality, they are going to be censored the moment their higher-up has the ability to turn on them without retribution.
They are fools, but not to be underestimated.
A lot if it is sowing dissent and breaking discourse as well.
When I was a conservative piece of shit, in my younger days, I had the most outlandish bumper stickers you can imagine. Probably more outlandish than you can imagine, actually, 99.9% likelihood. There were quite a few. I knew I was being an ass and I loved when it offended people, because I was miserable. Someone was paying attention to me. I was getting a reaction. I existed! Anyway, yeah, it can be as simple as “they get off on ruining your day cuz they’re miserable pieces of shit.” Speaking from experience.
Thanks for sharing. I’m glad you are feeling less miserable now.
Thanks. Take lots of psychedelics, everyone.
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Good job being less of a piece of shit and congrats on the happiness. Any advice for helping people out of there?
Tl;dr version:
Take mushrooms in Amsterdam, say “it’s not doing anything” and also take your sister-in-law’s portion (turns out everyone is going to bed so you’re on your own for this first psilocybin trip, which should make it easier to…)
Cry for five to six hours, finally lose religion and 80-90 pounds (over next 6-12 months), get medicated for ADHD (not currently, but sure helps), continue occasionally microdosing and/or smoking pot until everything finishes clicking.
People can change. Even if that baby thinks they can’t.
I worry you’re right.
That video is like a weirdly nostalgic confessional of my time in D.C. I was a huge piece of shit. Systematic theology book. Capitol Hill job. Little bitty bow ties. Speakeasies. Pork stuffed potatoes at Dixie Bones. People can change.
Same reason why tankies don’t just move to China, or why some Canadians had Trump bumperstickers: the point is to take over and wield authority as a weapon. Of course they try to invade and pollute every space they can and muddy waters wherever possible.
They go everywhere because even if a bunch of people are like “fuck off nazis” there will be a few people that are like “oh hey you have some good ideas”.
That’s why they’ve been recruiting online since the beginning of the internet. Capture whoever you can that’s sympathetic and keep bolstering numbers by any means necessary. Worked out pretty well for them
If they get defederated, they just spin up a new instance and keep spreading their hate.
FOSS is for everyone. Not wanting to be dependent on big tech isn’t uniquely a leftist ideal, and it should be obvious by now that the political affiliation and community guidelines of big tech companies are entirely dependent on the current political landscape, not any moral values or held ideals, and can change at any moment.
What’s the problem of those right-wing dipshits having their own instance? I’m trying to understand this perspective you all seem to have here.
Someone please elaborate the hesitancy of us accepting MAGA extremists having their own federated community?
Why would we want to talk to MAGA assholes who want to eradicate most of the userbase?
They’re allowed to make an instance, the software can’t stop them. They’re not required to be federated with.
Just like how you can say anything you want, you’re not required to have someone listen to it, or not have someone speak their mind about it back to you.
Because I don’t want to interact with them outside of very specific, and sporadic, questions. Their presence is an active detriment to me. Let them go back to truth social.
Are you the type that asks a cockroach or ant infestation to politely go away as well?
Is your argument here that your preferred way to deal with cockroaches is to let them have the run of your house? Hard to red anything rose out of that, given the context.
I need you to work on your reading comprehension and try again. Not going to spoon-feed you what I’m saying if you’re here asking me to spell shit out for you friend. Also this is not endorsement of said implications either.
Might wanna work on your writing skills there, hoss, because your comment reads exactly as described.
Maybe I’m too dumb to exist in reality?
looks around
Nah, you seem to fit.
They don’t want their own spaces as much as making other people’s spaces are theirs too - aka “This is why we can’t have nice things”
Conservatives value the marketplace of ideas. The fediverse is a true embodiment of the marketplace of ideas. No wonder they are coming.
Hey Jimmy Kimmel, how do you like that marketplace of ideas? I heard conservatives sure do value that marketplace. Why can’t I hear you Jimmy?
Ohh that’s cos the left killed the guy who wanted free speech. Now they playing by your rules. You did this to yourself. The irony is palpable.
U wanted a culture war, u wanted to silence free speech. You are now subject to the paradox of tolerance. You could not tolerate descenting opinions so your opinions cannot he tolerated. Ohh the irony.
Sounds like they were playing by his rules? We both know there’s no evidence “the left” killed him but hey we all know how conservatives feel about facts right?
We both know he was datings someone trans. He had hundreds of hours in a game called “furry shades of gay”. Does either of those things sound like right wing to you?
Absolutely, hypocrisy and hating yourself are core tenets of the conservative experience in America.
Ignorance of facts logic and critical thinking seem to be the core tenants of your personal experience.
Is that really true though?
When living in the US, it seemed American conservatives seemed mostly to be oligarch shills and with very shallow and performative beliefs.
Mind you, I think there needs to be balance of sorts between left and right, competition to keep both sides honest. But this doesn’t apply to American “conservatives” who at least at the high level seemed to mostly consist of demagogues.
The “marketplace of ideas” phrase is a perfect example of the theatrical and performative nature of American conservativism.
Don’t lie to urself we both know that both parties are just as corrupt and bought out by corporate interests. The lefts beliefs are just as performative. Empathy for all people unless they say words we don’t like. Gun violence is bad and we should ban all guns but its OK to shoot some people for their opinions.
If the communists are to be tolerated so must the Nazis. Communism is responsible for more deaths than the Nazis their is no argument for one that does not also lend value to the other. I’m of the persuasion that both those ideologies are evil and wrong but those ideas must be combatted by rational discussion and the only way to do that is allow all to speek.
I’m neither a conservative or a democrat. I’m in fact not even a fucking American twat. But I have beliefs that strongly align with both sides and beliefs that strongly oppose both sides. Only in the struggle between ideas can actual change happen. Only through challenging the mind can greater ideas be formed. Fuck the political parties its not a football game where we choose sides and cheer for the downfall of our opponents it as a philosophical dance of ideas where the best shall eclipse all teams.
The marketplace of ideas is an idea it is a concept it is not consecrate it is not progressive it is its own thing and it requires all sides take part. Lemmy is a hard left echo chamber I would like to see lemmy represent the average person to grant all people a voice in the great marketplace of ideas. And to do this we need the rightwingers.
I never said anything about US democrats (who are centre-right) or leftists. And where did I say you are American or even that you are a conservative or Democrat. Why are you bringing this up?
I said something very specific, that US conservatives are beholden to oligarchs and even their alleged deeply held beliefs do not pass the basic smell test if you’ve lived in different countries / speak different languages and so on (this is true irrespective of you political views). It’s like claiming the United Russia party has deeply held beliefs. This is a ridiculous proposition.
Making claims that “US conservatives support the marketplace ideas” is exactly the kind of thing that brings up massive red flags. Conservative/Progressive refers to broad political alignment. You can have people in both camps who support the marketplace of ideas and those that don’t. You can also have people who like to make statements about supporting the marketplace of ideas for superficial reasons.