I cannot stand The Godfather. Any mafia shit, really. I hate the whole family hierarchy thing, I hate the guise of freedom when it’s just an organization reminiscent of cops or the military, and I hate the blind loyalty to a system that only serves one person or family, it’s all just so petty and capitalistic, the mafia is fucking stupid.
That’s why the sopranos is pretty good. They are just pathetic overweight old guys who have no connection to italy, but try really hard to pretend they have.
Even better is that a certain kind of group still think they are bad ass, because they kinda fail to see the point.
Yeah thats what you were supposed to take away from that movie, the creator of it isn’t trying to glorify that life but show you how pathetic it is. But idiots watch it and take the wrong message
“So you see, the lesson is that Gatsby’s pursuit of wealth only kept him further from-“
“Dude, that guy’s parties were AWESOME! He had like a freaking circus there and all! What minority group do I have to brutalize to be like him??”
You say that like I’m obligated to appreciate the film just because it claims to be critical of the mafia and if I don’t like it then I just didn’t get it. That’s not the case, I get it. I don’t like those films either, and yes, it’s because they’re army movies. Regardless of being critical of the subject material, you cannot make a movie entirely about the mafia (let alone, three of them), or the army, or anything, without romanticizing the subject matter. Do you have any idea how many people saw The Godfather and fell in love with the idea of the mafia, or Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Now and fell in love with the idea of being in the military, or SLC Punk and fell in love with the idea of being a poser? All those people fucking loved those movies. Some people missing the point doesn’t mean that everyone who gets the point is obliged to think a movie is good. The Godfather fucking sucks, because it’s about stupid people doing stupid things and sucking their own dicks about it.
You’re obviously not obligated to like it, but when you say ‘I don’t like x because i don’t like y’ and people point out that x is critical of y, then you either need to express yourself better or figure out if there’s a different reason that you don’t like x
One beautiful thing about art - and, for me, especially movies - is that they reveal truths within ourselves.
The first time I saw Fight Club, the “true” meaning went WAY over my head. I was young, I just saw a cool action flick with a twist ending. To me, the message was Fuck the System. I grew up, though. I can now clearly see the deeper themes, like warning about toxic masculinity and groupthink.
Similarly, Starship Troopers was a favorite of mine. I never understood the parallels to fascism when I was younger - I just rooted for Johnny and the gang.
The Godfather and Apocalypse Now fall squarely into that same set of movies. These are all movies that I enjoyed when I was young, but the themes were just beyond me. And that’s OK. My point is that you are definitely NOT obligated to appreciate these films. But maybe you can understand why these films are studied and rewatched and discussed. At least part of the reason is because someone who saw a film 5 or 10 or 30 years ago is only just now starting to understand it.
Lookie here boys, we gots ourselves a tough guy. Hey, Rico, why don’t you show our friend what happens to tough guys round here. Maybe a little swim with the fishies will show him we ain’t so bad after all.
I cannot stand The Godfather. Any mafia shit, really. I hate the whole family hierarchy thing, I hate the guise of freedom when it’s just an organization reminiscent of cops or the military, and I hate the blind loyalty to a system that only serves one person or family, it’s all just so petty and capitalistic, the mafia is fucking stupid.
That’s why the sopranos is pretty good. They are just pathetic overweight old guys who have no connection to italy, but try really hard to pretend they have.
Even better is that a certain kind of group still think they are bad ass, because they kinda fail to see the point.
Yeah thats what you were supposed to take away from that movie, the creator of it isn’t trying to glorify that life but show you how pathetic it is. But idiots watch it and take the wrong message
As is the typical pattern.
“So you see, the lesson is that Gatsby’s pursuit of wealth only kept him further from-“
“Dude, that guy’s parties were AWESOME! He had like a freaking circus there and all! What minority group do I have to brutalize to be like him??”
It insists upon itself.
“COZ IT HAS A VALID POINT TO MAKE, IT’S INSISTENT!”
This is like saying that you hate ‘Apocalypse Now’ and ‘Full Metal Jacket’ because you hate army.
You say that like I’m obligated to appreciate the film just because it claims to be critical of the mafia and if I don’t like it then I just didn’t get it. That’s not the case, I get it. I don’t like those films either, and yes, it’s because they’re army movies. Regardless of being critical of the subject material, you cannot make a movie entirely about the mafia (let alone, three of them), or the army, or anything, without romanticizing the subject matter. Do you have any idea how many people saw The Godfather and fell in love with the idea of the mafia, or Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Now and fell in love with the idea of being in the military, or SLC Punk and fell in love with the idea of being a poser? All those people fucking loved those movies. Some people missing the point doesn’t mean that everyone who gets the point is obliged to think a movie is good. The Godfather fucking sucks, because it’s about stupid people doing stupid things and sucking their own dicks about it.
You’re obviously not obligated to like it, but when you say ‘I don’t like x because i don’t like y’ and people point out that x is critical of y, then you either need to express yourself better or figure out if there’s a different reason that you don’t like x
One beautiful thing about art - and, for me, especially movies - is that they reveal truths within ourselves.
The first time I saw Fight Club, the “true” meaning went WAY over my head. I was young, I just saw a cool action flick with a twist ending. To me, the message was Fuck the System. I grew up, though. I can now clearly see the deeper themes, like warning about toxic masculinity and groupthink.
Similarly, Starship Troopers was a favorite of mine. I never understood the parallels to fascism when I was younger - I just rooted for Johnny and the gang.
The Godfather and Apocalypse Now fall squarely into that same set of movies. These are all movies that I enjoyed when I was young, but the themes were just beyond me. And that’s OK. My point is that you are definitely NOT obligated to appreciate these films. But maybe you can understand why these films are studied and rewatched and discussed. At least part of the reason is because someone who saw a film 5 or 10 or 30 years ago is only just now starting to understand it.
You’re not supposed to like the Mafia in these movies.
I agree that the system sucks and that, IRL, they’re bad people and harmful to society. Still a good movie though.
I lost focus on the second movie, but the first one was decent
Lookie here boys, we gots ourselves a tough guy. Hey, Rico, why don’t you show our friend what happens to tough guys round here. Maybe a little swim with the fishies will show him we ain’t so bad after all.