You’re playing with fire, this is how thedonald started. It was all a joke until it wasn’t. Then it became a cesspit.
It’s also how flat earthers started. 4chan started satirically memeing about flat earth. Then idiots saw it, missed the satire, and picked it up as a serious thing. At that point, 4chan went “this is funnier than any satire we could make” and stood back to watch the crazies launch rockets into the upper atmosphere.
Flat earthers have been around (heh) for centuries. It’s mostly a religious thing in order to rebuke science in order to keep people stupid. There’s a passage in the bible that refrences the four corners of the earth that gets refrenced by these people as proof. It’s a way to keep people in their cult, because the outsiders are the ones who are tricked into beleiving in round earth ftom scientists.
I’m more of a dinosaur earth guy myself
As someone who once played with the Earth’s actual distancing math, fuck the both of you.
I would say that it really became a thing in its current form in the 1800s. Lots of the weird Biblical “literalism” (and I think things like Salafism/Wahhabism) come from the combination of widespread literacy and direct access to the texts + those ideologies that deny that you need anything outside the text to interpret them yourself/solo scriptura.
You can try to calculate the size of the earth yourself the same way Ancient Greeks did.
What we’re seeing now is related to shitposting being taken seriously for sure (the “birds aren’t real” thing has also been making a slow shift from stupid joke to conspiracy therapy, I think that’s how “Helen Keller” don’t real started)
I trace it back a bit further than 4chan though. You start to see it all the way back in the 90s on Usenet, pretty sure that’s around when the Flat Earth Society Forums - which were clearly mostly Poes - started too.
I think that 4chan started a lot of this apocalypse that way.
4chan was sold in 2015 and that’s when it took a hard right turn.
Damn, sounds like a familiar story now
“Shoop da woop” was a popular 4chan meme dating to at least 2006. Also the whole “newfag”, “oldfag” etc thing has been going on since forever.
Are those supposed to be far right slogans or something? This was normal stuff at the time.
My dad used to be on 4Chan all the time in the 2000s, he told me being called a fag was considered a form of endearment, not an insult. I’ve never heard newfag or oldfag be used by the far right, they typically go for actual insults instead.
There was definately a tone shift when the site was bought. People were usually mocked if they were actually right wing over there.
“fag” is a homophobic slur that was actually even more hurtful to use back in the early 2000s when LGBT people were a lot less accepted by society than today. That said your Dad is technically correct and it was a “term of endearment” among homophobes on 4chan which was largely comprised of straight white men in college had/has a self-deprecating sense of humor.
“Fag” is a homophobic slur and “shoop da woop” is a blackface meme and yes it was all very normal 4chan.
The Flat Earth Society was founded in 1956.
4chan’s downfall was mainstream media telling everyone that Nazis were on the site, so all the Nazis who were watching mainstream media went to 4chan and without moot running it, they were allowed to fester.
I first found 4chan around 2005 and there definitely Nazis on it. And pedophiles.
Absolutely idk what that guy is smoking
Yea, but I’m a mod Who’s Built Different™️
oof ouch my hubris
This one was already serious. The worst that can happen is it goes back to what it was before.
!conservative@lemmy.world because there is no clickable link here.
Write it down as 700TB and it will be more accurate.
And C: instead of system32, to represent everything that was created using programs that rely on system32.
Nah, if you are deleting everything on your PC, you’d better report it as 700EB or 7HB…
On some level I’d like there to be an actual conservative sub since I like to check in on the Reddit alternative’s goings on and what their takes on this or that is. But I can understand why some wouldn’t want to share a platform with those people. Some of the stuff is pretty bad
On one hand it’d be nice to be able to have some discussion about what sort of government involvement is needed in society. But at least in terms of the US, until the overton window puts some healthy distance between it and fascism, there’s zero point in talking to cons online. They’re literally unwilling to accept reality or basic facts-- what’s the point?
I don’t really engage often with them, I’m just interested in hearing how they view stuff, how it differs from me, how they reconcile this and that and so on.
It’s hard for me not to engage with their opinions. Like “no, that’s not how that works,” “There’s more to it than that,” “there are several things wrong with what you said.” There’s no point trying to argue on the Internet, but some of their comments make me angry. I especially hate when they support something just to “own them libs” like that takes priority over peoples’ well-being.
It can be very engaging. But if you consider that they don’t have any internal consistency, you always lose
LMAO, you should post that image on the new !conservative@lemmy.world
It’s an old meme-- have at it :)
The fatal flaw of the internet is that you can find people who are into similar obscure stuff that you’re into, but that also means the nazis can also find each other
Well the biggest problem is that the fuck does conservatism want to conserve?
Selling off parks, betraying labor, violating people’s right to self determination…
If you mean Republicans, those are open fascists.
The ones doing any amount of conservation are Democrats, but eventually one realizes nimby liberalism is just the slower road to fascism as it always bends the knee to corporate interests. We wouldn’t be here if this wasn’t true.
The “responsible adults” in the room are either spineless cowards, incompetent dupes, or malicious insider trading bad actors themselves.
Between the Business Plot and the lack of any action against cellar boxing American corporations into bankruptcy and predatory economic bubbles it becomes ever clearer the goal of the entire system is to fleece the poor masses to make the rich minority ever richer.
When progressivism moves toward conservatism, conservatism moves toward regressivism.
There’s like 2 others, and a whole instance. .ee and SJW each have a comm and hilariouschaos is the new “friendlier” ExplodingHeads instance lol
Huh I haven’t bumped into those communities
Doesn’t surprise me, the serious ones always have their wonderful links downvoted to oblivion lolol
You have to realize that the con subs on reddit are mostly engaged by Russian trolls to stoke arguments and traffic. Reddit periodically goes through these bans and temporarily gets rid of the trolls and the site becomes much more pleasant and quiet
Same as the main leftist coms on Lemmy.
Maybe if it didn’t get hijacked by crazies and conspiracy theorists after a few months.
/r/conservative is not comprised of real conservative people, it only exists to expose “normie” redditors to MAGA propoganda while giving the MAGA movement the pretense of legitimacy.
Only the best memes of conservatives, made in the most conservative region of the conservatorium.
If it’s not made in the conservative region, it’s just sparkling fascism.
Porque no los Dos?
This is peak US politics. No wonder y’all seem to be so fucked…
Having said that, best of luck with the community.
And they think they’re the untouchable good guys.
Just out of curiosity, who do you think “they” are?
They are y’all.
I would actually want to see conservatives (who doesn’t currently support trump) come and debate stuff.
I don’t agree with them, but I want to see what their perspective is.
Having a conservative community on a non-corporate site would help prevent the most extreme opinions of the right-wing and minimize russian propaganda (because we have manual applications). Give them a space here, allows them to be exposed to opposing views, preventing far-right extremism.
(Obviously, the trumpers are too far gone and we shouldn’t platform them. Racism, sexism and stuff like that should Never be allowed)
Maybe a c/DebateConservatives type of thing?
After the last couple days, I want nothing to do with these fucking backstabbing traitors.
I agree, but most Lemmings seem to be completely intolerant of right of center views. I’ve never seen any content in that community that’s right of center without being downvoted into oblivion.
If Lemmings just don’t want other views here, that’s fine, it just kind of sucks when all I get is an echo chamber.
This seems to come from the assumption that right wing views have equal validity and exist on an equal footing, but they just don’t.
Right wing autoritarian attitudes are just whatever is propped up by the propaganda of the prevailing hierarchy. They’re blasted out of mainstream news outlets everyday. They don’t survive on merit, but on funding.
Like honestly, if you want to hear what conservatives have to say, go watch their news, listen to their pundits, join their social media apps, but if you’ve got half a brain then you shouldn’t be surprised that it’s just a pile of callow, self-serving bullshit. You will be disappointed. You won’t see a reasonable debate of the ideas.
Like this is an open system. Anyone can make an instance. You know why right wing instances just… aren’t? Because they can’t stop themselves from being bigots, which most people hate, actually, and gets them yeeted, so they don’t thrive here. It’s not some conspiracy or bias, it’s just what happens when assholes aren’t shielded by some big daddy corporation. They can’t hack it.
Fascists feeling unwelcome is exactly how things should be.
Communists feeling unwelcome is exactly how things should be too.
Depends on the communist.
Tankie? No thanks. Anarcho-communist? Please, come on in.
Communists aren’t destroying the US government as of now. Unless you consider the Russian assets on the right as communists?
Communists aren’t destroying the US government as of now.
Neither are naz… uhh never mind
Communists have killed millions. So unless you consider nazis okay, since they aren’t destroying the US government as of now, then they deserve the same treatment.
Communism is not a good economic model, but “communism has killed millions” is such a bad faith argument. First off, Capitalism has killed BILLIONS (see the automobile industry and military industrial complex) but I have yet to see anyone talk about this. I also don’t see you putting capitalist on the same level as Nazis
At a certain point, we have to be real about what’s going on. People acting in bad faith, no matter their affiliation, need to be outcast. Trying to tow some imaginary line is a complete waste of time
It is not “a bad faith argument”, it’s the truth. Capitalism has been “in force” since ancient times. Where there is money and private ownership, there is capitalism. And yeah, communism has killed more people than nazis ever did, not that it is a contest. The reality is people who have never had anything to do with communism romanticize it as some great solution that solves every problem, when in reality it results in murderous regimes that oppress their people, their neighbors and everyone else there is to oppress.
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That’s not exactly “communists”
nazism is inherently evil because their ideology has racial supremacy as one of its core tenets
communism, is a statesless, classless, egalitarian society.
But what went wrong in USSR and PRC is the Vanguardism. Vangardism is the belief that a “Vanguard Party” will establish a state with the vanguard party having full control over the country, then when communism is acheived, the state would “wither away”. I mean guess how that works out (it failed). When people have dictatorial powers, they will never give it up. That was the problem with USSR and PRC, not the “communism”. (They never really had communism. Russia and modern day China are State-Capitalists)
“No true Scotsman” fallacy. All you are doing is rebranding communism as “something else”. And yeah, they were communist countries.
“Right of center views” currently means lies, propaganda, and reality denial. I do not consider myself a leftist (though I do agree with leftists on a lot of things) nor a communist, but there is absolutely nothing of value the current right offers.
I do agree Lemmy (and Reddit) are echo chambers. The real solution? Go outside. However, you’ll likely find most people are very apathetic (and easily fooled) but not necessarily right leaning.
It’s not our fault that the actually reasonable conservatives were already drowned out by the raving lunatic fascist mobs.
gestures broadly at US federal government
By how much the overton window shifted in the US, those (non-trumper) conservatives should really be called “centrists”
I mean, according to magats, “liberals” are “far-left” 🤣
Maybe you should consider why that is. After several decades of “right center” politics being like “we promise we’re not crypto fascists” ultimately enabling Trump, you are still confused about why people are so hostile to those exact same narratives?"
We have an echo for the chamber, that is true, but the antidote is not right wing views, the right wing has lost any credibility after Trump.
I’m probably center left for lemmy, and that is what we need more of. Lemmy is heavily moded by very VERY left people that like to ban anyone that dares disagree
Show me a right of center viewpoint that isn’t hateful or in bad faith and I won’t downvote it.
“Right of center” means the insufferable liberal types on LW.
Go on X and hang with your treasonous fash friends then.
Yes, I too want to give them a save space, so I can study the mental illness, and see if there’s a cure for it.
how did you managed that?
Blackmail and bribery lmao jk, I just made a request on the support comm with a proposed set of rules, a week later and the rest is history lol
blackmail and bribery
A true conservative
Putin will be proud
Turns out we can make the world a better place
Nice man, happy for this development. Do your best in your new role!!
By being funny.
I’ve looked through the history and I could only find a post “it’s now unmoderated as well”. How did that happen in the first place?
I think you might be on one of the others, .world is the one going satire lol
For various reasons, .ee version they were removed because they weren’t taking care of things, SJW version was just abandoned and I think .world was also abandoned
I think pretty much all conservative communities seem like satire much of the time. Hard to believe they’d actually be posting stuff other than to make fun of whoever made it.
Without Russia troll bots posting there to engage people the sub usually dies very fast. It’s evident on Reddit when Putin redirects his trolls somewhere else the site on Reddit become very quiet
I don’t trust this.
It appears legit anyway. Haven’t seen any posts in that !c from the usual trolls, it’s only funny people now
There’s a couple guys still trying to post shit from Breitbart but they get downvoted so badly now they never appear on hot.
We’ll see in the longer term… in the meantime I socialized a few memes.
It’s true, you can trust me >:)
Nice! I unblocked it.
I don’t understand what this is saying :(
aww. I was enjoying /c/conservative being run on anarchy principles.
I added your accomplishment to my list of headhunts.
!conservative@sh.itjust.works is better anyways 🤷♂️
