Would you forgive or talk around these atrocities ? https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md.
If you do then you’re an hypocrite ; if you don’t then you’re probably an anti-imperialist like us.
This useful list was made by the same @dessalines that made Lemmy.

Here’s just one example of what you’ve accepted : We’ve supported dictatorships in Hong-Kong(, they couldn’t vote until 1985), and Taiwan.
For South Korea as well(, Rhee Syngnam from 1948 to 1960 ; Park Chung-hee from 1961 to 1979 ; and Chun Doo-hwan from 1980 to 1988).
We also supported the dictatorship in Myanmar, and Suharto in Indonesia from 1967 to 1998, the Philippines from 1965 to 1986, etc.
We also supported the authoritarian South Vietnam(, 1955-1963).
And we’ll remember the Khmer rouge, but not the authoritarian and western-backed Lon Nol.
We(sterners) also supported the military regimes in Thailand, anything but communism. Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore was also considered authoritarian.

That’s only in Asia, which we abundantly bombed as you know because it was our duty to stop the freedom of choosing communism. The dozens of dictatorships that we supported or (helped )installed in South America and Africa are a bit more known, but not that much.
We’re against communism more than tyrans, and aren’t invading because we have the moral duty to free these populations against their will, it’s just propaganda. Hitler probably had other arguments that judeo-bolchevism to fabricate the consentements of the germans to war, we(sterners) are using liberty, and it doesn’t really seem like we have a second argument so we’re going all-in on this one.

Lemmygrad users are denying atrocity propaganda, and don’t want to close their eyes on our support to every anti-communist dictatorship.
They’re dreamers of a better world, not afraid to think by themselves, and see like i do that we’re surrounded with conformists believing every single thing they’ve been told, who would have thus developed the opposite point of view if they were born in the other country.

Look, i don’t like dictatorships either, and consider reddit worrying, but atrocity propaganda is a classic, we have many arguments to debunk our lies, almost all of them ignored by the rest of the population while we know your arguments. Our debunking is also the point of view of these governments and their population, who also know our arguments while we ignore theirs, not that our attacks are hard to understand anyway, the debunking necessarily take a bit more reading/understanding.

We’re dreaming of a better world, and arguing why it’d be desirable.
I can demonstrate why their political polls are genuine and their happiness outstanding, and why their propaganda isn’t as bad as you think it is, use Rednote, Douyin, or other apps if you want to see what chinese people are like.

Am i right to understand that you have a problem with authoritarianism, and not communism per se, may i then ask by curiosity about your opinion on libertarian communism, or anarcho-communism ?

The salaries of socialist leaders is much lower than in capitalist-owned countries, e.g. aligned with the median salary, more than enough to revert your argument, they’re not here for the money but to serve. Corruption(, from the wealthy,) is also taken much more seriously than in our societies who even legalized lobbying anyway.

And do you see the problem in accusing me of hypocrisy and whataboutism at the same time ?

All the while, seemingly completely unaware of the profound comedic irony and dissonance of their professed political stance, their moral posturing, and the depravity of their willingness to side with the most blood-soaked, murderous regimes and psychopaths in history.

You’re describing yourself supporting the west, who’s been mostly the only responsible of wars, genocides, support to dictators, …, since the colonization. The extent of our interventions isn’t taught in schools or medias, and didn’t stop in 1991.

If you believe in the atrocity propaganda demonizing our declared enemies, and the duty to bring them freedom, i’ll continue to prefer living with them peacefully, in a world that would protect them&us

Not much to add

If we end this discussion with an author’s recommendation each, i’ve found Michael Parenti pleasantly surprising.

And, besides more censorship on t.v. firing the last persons kinda leftists, shamelessly instrumentalizing an antisemitism that deeply traumatized jewish families, there’s more censorship on the/our Internet, or chatbots will also have to align with what our government deems to be wrongthoughts. That’s only for today.

Accusations that could be thrown at the center(, if you keep in mind that we’re downplaying our authoritarianism/manipulation/control for ourselves and allied countries, but are over-estimating or even inventing it for countries we dislike).
For now there’s not a lot of internal dissent but it’s already too much for them, so their reaction would probably increase with it.
And i.d.k. if you’re an american, but you only have two political parties and it already seems too much, i’d never have guessed that D.Trump could have won with such worldwide unified campaign against him, there’s a troubling lack of diversity on the net and in medias that isn’t reflected in the polls/votes. And this criticism of populism as if it was a bad thing, …

Direct democracy then.

What they said is that the proletariat is in charge forever, not capitalists/bourgeois/‘the wealthiest’ anymore.

You can trust our capitalist-owned medias on whether they succeeded or not.
To only give one example that’s not known, you’ve never heard of their imperative mandates, only about their fake elections that seemed worthless(, see #25 here)
Not only can our capitalists buy medias, but they can also directly give money to candidates they like, and we’ll sanction/invade the countries that don’t vote for the right person, our system isn’t a model, if only because it needs so many lies to be sustained.
Capitalist-owned countries from the global South think that they should imitate our model to be wealthy, when it’s that model that perpetuates neo-colonialism.

The problem is that the u.s.s.r., the People’s Republic of China, and other socialist states, were too attacked by foreign actors to establish a direct democracy, so it was only direct in some cooperatives, and Lenin stated that reactionaries were powerful enough to justify having a strong state.
It’s not in the communist “d.n.a.” though, on the contrary since ‘the final state of socialism’/communism is a stateless society.
The gulags only existed in a period of crisis when they endured wars after wars until WW2, but we abundantly talked about it when they were already closed. If repression and control of the population was as pronounced as we say they wouldn’t have been dislocated, just ask a chinese person about their social credit score or other lies if you ever meet one.
Et cetera…

And islamists/muslims/theocrats are the best, no distinction between the spiritual and temporal, i won’t trust a faithless civilization or faithless people, even if most of them are great people.

Also, i honestly don’t really mind if we(sterners) end up with “anarcho”-capitalism, feudalism, or whatever, diversity is good, as long as (people live there willingly and )we don’t prevent other countries from choosing another path, which can be done, we could at least try to conceive a system which would made wars(, and covert actions, sanctions, …,) completely impossible.

Thanks for the reply though, ++

As long as you don’t censor us, which a decentralized Lemmy can’t do in comparison to Reddit.
The government is way more worrying though.

Hard to imagine that it was only a few years ago(, before E.Musk bought Twitter,) that we were denying the influence of governments on social media censorship, and said that “private companies aren’t censoring, because they’re not the government, if you don’t like this platform just change/leave”. It has changed and now we’ve quickly accepted that states should enforce (more )laws all over the/our internet. And many don’t see that our fact-checking is unilaterally biased, etc.

Someone from programming.dev may have heard of the declaration of the independence of cyberspace , among others.

Like hate speech(, e.g. against Israel/Ukraine/…, or in favor of Palestine/Russia/Iran/…, debunking/denying the uyghur/bosnian/… “genocide”, etc.)

Huh. I didn’t take a look at your links and kinda expected to have problems with the mods for that comment anyway.
Seems like we have the same opinion and lemmy.ml is indeed not Reddit.

Sorry for such a bad comment, i’m french and our president, but far from only him, said a few annoying things that made me want to vent out, honestly i don’t know why, just that it’s one of these times when everything i’m hearing from the radio or t.v. or some twitter accounts of politicians just annoy me, it was a pointless comment in that sense, probably the equivalent of seeking a (verbal )fight in a pub, i was just getting ready to be angry at a poor pro-ukrainian as if it was productive, 🤷

So Ukraine wasn’t building up an army to recover Crimea and fight against anti-n.a.t.o. separatism in its south-east ? Zelensky was elected as an alternative to anti-russians(, without the vote of south-eastern ukrainians under an economic blocus among other things), and did the opposite.
It’s just like saying that Russia will invade the rest of Europe or other lies(, probably the russian interferences as well since Russiagate was debunked and we have a strong history of lying, Georgia was the aggressor during the Beijing olympics), we just can’t tell the truth and our population is even ignoring the talking points of the opponent. The non-westerners know our point of view, never difficult to understand, we’re the ones systematically ignoring theirs, and lying with biases visible even to those agreeing with us.
Netanyahu is also a liar but that’s what we(sterners) do, the end justifies the means our leaders/representatives don’t speak from/with their heart, there’s an assumed propaganda of talking points, e.g. unprovoked for Russia or terrorists for Palestine, what are palestinians supposed to do to stop the ongoing colonization and live peacefully together ? What is Russia supposed to do if it’s rejected by the west because of their desire to be independent and in favor of multipolarity, supporting the declared enemies of the “policemen of the world” ? Iran wouldn’t be considered authoritarian if it was zionist.
What matters here is that there are solutions for each problem, we have a strong tendency to consider our opponents crazy/incomprehensible, without explaining/justifying in order to seek a national unity.
Now we’re censoring people for their opinions even more than before, it comes from the state and not platforms, with jail time and fees, but since we’re not killing people for posting unapproved opinions it could be worse. JD Vance was right to criticize the censorship wave of these last years in Europe(, and the US as well in a lesser measure), liberty is our only answer for a lack of egality 🤷(, in some forms, « poverty is slavery » though)

One day he’s criticized for saying that Hitler was a communist, the other for apparently assuming his love of nazis.
There’s an old series of books by Terry Goodkind that i’ve read as a child, named the Sword of Truth, each book has a wizard’s rule, and here’s the first one :

People are stupid. They believe things mainly because they either want them to be true or fear them to be true.

I’m not particularly fond of these books nor do i agree with this rule, but if you’re political then you’re judging real political actions, such as enacted laws, like adults do, or you’re eventually discussing assumed theories, but not unfair little excerpts regretted afterwards by the one who did them, and we can hopefully both agree that we should not explain our worldview or vote based on the latter, its ‘just for fun’/‘not serious’.
At least most journalists know that it’s only about influencing his future decisions, but you don’t if you believe it was ‘a coming out’/‘something to be discussed seriously’.
That’s just my two cents, thanks for reading my insults towards ~you, and let’s continue not changing.

conspiracy theorists taking us for idiots, nothing new(, even if you’re taking it quite farther than usual).

On the side of real stuff happening : D.Trump said a lot in his inauguration speech, and just put Cuba back on the terrorist states list, as well as signing over twenty executive orders, etc. Seems worth more discussion than your fantasies.

Just unfortunate that, like for D.Trump, you’re too used to discussing the form instead of the content, we’re worth more than selected/biased excerpts.

The title isn’t exact :

Moreover, their relations were only re-instaured after the western-supported coup by J.Añez :

(Here’s Colombia’s president 6 hours ago b.t.w., among other examples)

(no need to point out that it would be safer for them not to take position for//against any side. The article also spoke of Argentina, here’s an interesting 2mn-long point of view)

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Unless the creatures, overall, would prefer to have never existed in the first place, then the Creator isn’t evil and should be praised(, that’s only one reason, for example an other one would be our search for Absolute/Greatness/Good/…)

One post and zero comment from criitz.
Ideally a fusion of Reddit and Lemmy’s content was what your bot is aiming to do, first thought it’d be illegal, but since we don’t have human reposters i’m glad there’s at least a bot instead.

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I don’t entirely agree with my comment either, because there’s multiple interpretation of Hell.
One of them is interesting, it says that if our consciousness survives after our death, our mind will finally think clearly, we’ll remember our past better than if it happened today, and we’ll be overwhelmed by shame, this hell would be created by ourselves.
Another one would talk about a real place, but not in the afterlife but right here, on Earth(, it combines perfectly with this talk of afterlife if you believe in reincarnation), and says that if we all live our lives ‘searching for’/‘aiming at’ God, then our descendants/reincarnations will live in Paradise(, or in Hell if we don’t).
There’re other interpretations, as well as the thought that we’re not free since we’re determined, so God decided before our birth whether we would end up in Hell or in Paradise, a thought discussed in the Middle-Ages and rejected in favor of free-will(, i don’t think Spinoza would disagree with the conclusion that God predestined us for Hell, if he believed in Hell).
Obviously, the most common explanation is that police(wo)men didn’t existed back then, God-fearing people was the equivalent of virtuous people, even when nobody can see/stop them.

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