Read the title as “ai pastor” and was like, do actual pastors get to claim general intelligence?

Edit: reread this and it comes off as accuaation. Im not accuijng you, just typed the thing in second person.

Often l have found that libertarians aren’t so much pro hierarchy, so much as blind to the role they play in the existing heirarchy.

It seems common to not turn a critical eye to yourself to see where you actually fit into the scene of things, and missing that you are in fact doing harm yo others by being ignorant of the impact of your actions is super on brand.

Libertarianism always felt like 2/3s of the way there, where the only remaining domino is to recognize “wealth is a thing I have because of circumstance… If someone else had this wealth, what would they do with it, and if they had Elon Musk billions what would that look like?”

I’d like to second this.

I’m using fkn google keep for my list cause im able to keep synced with my wife.

Grocy is too big. I can’t just write “apples” in grocy and be done. I have to tell grocy what am apple is, and how they are packaged first, and I’m honestly tired of it.

Nextcloud seems like a pain to set up when all that is actually needed is a check mark list, reordering the list, and to enter contents as text.

There are significant portions of android that are effectively under google monopoly, in truth, if not technically in fact.

First android is a phone OS, don’t assume desktop rules really apply the same way. There’s not tons of use for a workspace here, or at least not in my personal experience. Its my phone, my phone IS my workspace.

Second, android makes the assumption that you want basic functionality like email, and internet use, and messaging, location info for mapping, etc, so all of that got coded directly in to the OS. yeah you can use Firefox but can you uni stall chrome? Can you unintstall gmail? Often the answer is no, as you aren’t the admin of your phone, the carrier is and they have deals with google.

There are attempts to work around this, AOSP is one of them, but the fact that its a thing in the first place illustrates what I’m trying to say.

Third, among those things google has an effective monopoly on is their app store. Its incredibly difficult to, as a normal person who is not especially technically inclined, to make heads or tails of fdroid, or worse to have to find your own app store.

Thus, /e/os is stuck. Package microg, or dont provide access to the google app store for their consumer focused devices, or use google play services.

Packaging microg was easily the best option from the perspective of a business that wants to sell a functional device.

As to the specifics of AOSP folk, they’re basically the arch nerds of android. I love them but I dont understand much. I do know that it does not seem as though AOSP as a ROM is widely used, and that many of the projects around deGoogled android are basically single person communities, in that one person does all the work and burns out (Linege) or are… toolbags is the term I’m going to diplomatically use. Specifically graphene where the admin wound up being a toolbag, bad enough for Louis Rossman to do a video on.

Right, I think this is where we are misommunicating.

I use my fairphone as my daily. I also have to use OKTA, and stuff. And I dont use microg for them cause they don’t talk to google. I suppose technically the apps dont use microg, just like they dont use google.

The problem you are going to run into though is that google has baked itself into android that you need something to trick android into thinking its operable.

In stock android, you COULD have a workspace that only uses microg, but considering you otherwise MUST have play services… Why?

Alternatively, you can use microg to handle all your google bullshit to sign yourself in locally and actually use the services that require google without actually signing in to google.

Frankly, it sounds more like you want an Ubuntu/Linux (not android Linux) phone or something, but I’m not able to advise on that.

Possibly, maybe probably. If you dont want to degoogle, why use /e/os? Thats basically the explicit purpose. /e/is fills the same need as any degoogled ROM but is prepackaged on fairphone devices, no need to buy a pixel in order to use graphene. If you just want android, and the ability to use microg when you want and not when you dont, just use a normal android device.

More info plz

The choice is google or microg. If you are cool doing Goole things, pick any other phone. If you have a different alternative that actually give full android functionality, including things like the google search built into the default android launcher, lemme know.

Your frustration is understood, but I feer its misplaced. The way you phrased your response suggests you are disappointed that /e/os doesnt behave like you want, when you should actually be frustrated with google for designinjng android that way.

1. no. Microg is baked in to try and get around the portions of google bullshit thats baked in.
2. yes, I have play services running because I cannot not have android auto.

Not in /e/os far as i can see. Maybe in aosp somehow? Frankly, I am not exactly a fan of many of the decisions Murena made. They’re motherfuckers about letting me do the things I actually want in the system, for example: just update my apps, dont notify me. I do not care unless you broke or can’t update. But no, I have to dismiss every successful app update.

Separate. Not entirely sure how it works but another user in thread brought it up, sec…

Skarn: Actually, no. e/OS includes MicroG, so even most app requiring Google services work just fine. What really doesnt’t work is Casting videos to a Chromecast, and anything requiting Play Integrity certification like Revolut.

Thought he provided more info, but yeah. Chromecast just does not function cause its basically in google walled garden.

By in large there is no difference to notice, riiiiight up till you get to invisible google integrations. A lot of people wont notice stuff like this, but android auto relys on google servers and big G managed to break microG for a couple days and we cannot cast to our Chromecast (ever :( )

It does but its not perfect. I love my phone, but its absolutely not for people who dont want to tinker with shit that breaks unexpectedly.

I am fully aware of what the fairphone I’m on is able to do. Thank you for assuming I dont have experience with what I’m talking about.

The biggest one was when play Services updated back kn December and broke maps for me, specifically on android auto.

Unless that app requires google play services…

Pretty sure its just you and only right now.

Kidding. I honestly dont have the experience to answer fully but that very specific scenario made me giggle.

That said, the decline and end enshitification of everything is coupled with the relazation from advertizers that o ly ads are sketchy AF,and the people selling ad space are not to be trusted, leading to folks with lesser means boosting topics that would have previously been ostracized from whichever corporate social media company. Pissing people off has long been the most effective means of driving engagement, and lower quality advertisers care less about public perception.

Ladytron is a feel. Good stuff for that vibe.

She Wants Revenge is another adjacent band from the same timeframe.

Thats something I find fascinating. People hear anarchy and assume the end of commerce because it would inherently mean an end to capitalism, presuming we arent talking about some weird ancap philosophy that I can’t make sense.

Commerce has happened for forever, and changing forms of government will not change that.

Thats not the part I find fascinating though, its that people discussing anarchy tend to cede this argument without a fight.

If you do so, an implied argument of anarchy gets lost: “there is no such thing as unskilled labor.”

This isnt generally considered a point for anarchy, but it is. In an anarchist system, you have the agency to decide your role in your community. This means you WILL specialize, as we all do as humans; even the generalists of us aren’t generalists at everything. I for one would make a shitty translator, as i only speak English.

There would need to be some means of getting labor done by someone who knew how to do it, this ought to feel natural to most of us anyway… I mean I assume you guys try to help your friends at stuff you are good at that they aren’t. I similarly assume you’re generally compensated for this behavior, even if it isnt with currency as we generally consider it.

I’m of the opinion that an anarchist society is probably the wrong way, but incorporating anarchist ideals into things, such as “no really you actually are responsible for everyTHING (not everyone) around you” and “you are the only person who is capable of being responsible for your own choices, opinions and decisions.” and “consider the consequences of your actions before doing what you are told” and “a just hierarchy is one you are free to join and leave as required, and without coersion”, we can actually improve even our current system.

I think you may underestimate the impact of sewage backing up into your home :D

You are right though. Tragedy of the commons is a catch22. When everything is everyone’s problem, nothing is anyone’s problem. This occurs in EVERY political system though, and they still function.