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Cue the comments from people not subscribed to the community saying “I have nothing against cyclists but they’re in the way!11!”
I spent years working in the Melbourne CBD, and on the several occasions where as a pedestrian I had to take evasive action, it was because of buses running red lights. Multiple times. You’d think it’d be couriers, or meth-heads, or emergency vehicles (who at least had an excuse). But no. Bloody buses.
Need to get city planners on that bike, not bus drivers. That worker isn’t the reason for the lack of proper infrastructure.
Both are must situations
I feel we need to include this in all driving courses, so all drivers can really be aware of how scary cars driving nearby is. Meanwhile, we also need to push for increase biking infrastructure
Every driving school in the whole world should do this when getting a drivers license.
In a lot of countries it is normal that children and teenagers use bicycles. Once teenagers start taking driving lessons they should already be aware of this. Refresher courses would be more helpful.
I get why you say that, and I don’t even disagree, but I would like to point out that it will only be partially effective.
I live in Cleveland, so the only thing seperating us from Canada is a lake. That should give you an idea of how cold it is right now.
Well, people are assholes, and don’t shovel their snow. We had a pretty decent snow storm last week. About 2 feet in 3 days. In response to this, nobody has shoveled their sidewalks, so now everybody walks in the streets.
Last night I saw a guy walking on the street. Plenty of room around him. He was as far to the curb as he could be. 4 lane road (2 per direction).
A guy came around the corner and nearly hit him. They get into a screaming match about how he should be on the sidewalk with 2 feet of snow.
So the guy backs his car up, drives straight at him, and tried to hit the brakes before his car hit him. Well, icy road meant that his brakes didn’t mean shit. He just straight up hit and run’d him.
Thats when I started recording with my phone. He drives off several hundred feet, pulls into a driveway, turns around, and then drives by again with his middle finger at this guy who’s still on the ground.
This exercise would help and work for those who have empathy. You just have to remember, not everyone has empathy.
I mean that’s kind of the point. People without empathy will only see a problem with something when they have personally experienced the problem. That is literally the point of the exercise. You put the assholes who lack empathy in the shitty situation they constantly inflict on others so they see how it feels first hand and suddenly they care. People with empathy don’t need to be taught this lesson.
Sounds miserable. Around here you get 48 hours to clear the sidewalks before the city comes by and does it for you and sends you a bill.
From what I’ve heard the bill from the city is far more expensive than hiring a service.
It’s standard boilerplate in leases that the tenant is responsible for snow removal.
It’s not going to be a 100% effective tool, but it doesn’t have to be. We have other means of dealing with criminals.
In this scenario, a long prison sentence along with a permanent ban on operating vehicles seems warranted.
Busses aren’t the problem, lacking bicycle infrastructure is the problem. Busses move a lot of people. I have no problem with busses.
Busses driven by people who have no idea what it’s like to be a cyclist around busses ARE a problem, when the occur.
Yes, but also it’s important to remember that there are no such things as “car lanes,” only general-purpose ones. Even if good bike infrastructure exists, cyclists are still allowed to ride in those lanes, which means dangerous close passes by buses could still occur.
In my country it is actually illegal to ride a bike on the normal lanes if a bike lane / path is available
I mean, I’m a bus driver, I’m well aware it sucks,I do not want to be doing this to bike riders, but they’re forced to be in the road because of no bike lanes in my area.
Ok so don’t pass them in the same lane
They weren’t forced to be on the road, they’ve fought tooth and nail to put themselves on the road with you.
I can’t tell you how many arguments I’ve gotten into because somehow cyclists feel like they belong next to the 4+ton rolling metal, instead of risking gasp having to slow down for a pedestrian on the sidewalk every once in a while.
There are laws in some places written about cyclists facing fines if they so dare to use the sidewalk even when it is clearly the safer choice, but no, they have wheels so they must use the asphalt. I will always gladly risk the fine before my health or life. Use the sidewalk folks, learn to deal with the pedestrians.
(when a city is designed well, most cases there is no need for a bike lane, but I agree more bike lanes please!)
I do not want to be doing this to bike riders
You don’t have to, do you? I’m not sure it works as well for a bus because they are wider, but if you drive a car there’s the option of passing too closely or waiting for enough space in traffic to pass safely. Does that not work in a bus? Would waiting for a gap take hours in a bus?
That is great idea, but it could be improved if the bicycle was a real bicycle & was riding & the bus rode by, way too close.
I remember attending an event for the county employees & public about the dangerous situation for bicyclist, when a Fire Department Fire Truck driver said she never see bicyclist, even if they were there or not. Of course this is M-Dade County, of South Florida, & at the end they were blaming the young kids never properly learning how to ride bicyclist.
I think the reason it’s done on an exercise bike is to be able to do it in a controlled and safe environment. The purpose is to teach the drivers, not potentially run them over.
I think the reason it’s done on an exercise bike is to be able to do it in a controlled and safe environment. The purpose is to teach the drivers, not potentially run them over.
Not realistic enough though. Trust me, how they supposed understand the riders’ difficultly if they are on a stationed bicycle.
Dangerous, really, you know how many times that has happened to me & never hit.
Especially if the bus driver has also been through that part of the training. Either we trust the training to be effective or we don’t.
Especially if the bus driver has also been through that part of the training.
I do not get what you mean, the bus rider is on the stationary bicycle? Or you mean the person driving the bus? The training is only to help the bus driver as a bicyclist understand the bicyclist experience of having the bus hug them. Not *the error possibilty the bus driver on the bicycle could make. The person driving the bus is getting NO benefit, because *even the most experienced bicyclist are not as perfect (including straight) as a stationary bicycle cyclist. That is one of the reasons why we in Fl. have the 3-ft. space/bubble for cyclist at all times.
Without the cyclist moving I will never trust the experiences/?training? that both the bicycling bus driver & the bus driver.Again, I trust that no one would ever get hurt, it is *unrealistic threat of injury getting in the way.*- If it was realistic, then I would maybe not be here right now.
I misunderstood what you meant.
it’s not fear that you feel when a bus is to your side, it’s more like a vertigo, an incoherence because of a wall moving beside, a dizziness.
fear is when the bus is a meter behind you or cutting your way to turn left!
it’s more like a vertigo, an incoherence because of a wall moving beside, a dizziness.
In other words, an exercise bike probably doesn’t give the full effect, compared to being passed by a bus on a real bike that you have to actually balance.
For context, most of the drivers on the bikes were freaked out, but they were laughing, they obviously knew they weren’t in danger but they were obviously shocked by the size and presence of the bus
vertigo, an incoherence because of a wall moving beside, a dizziness I have never experienced anything like that. Could you just be instinctually afraid/stressed from riding near buses?
fear is when the bus is a meter behind you or cutting your way to turn left!
Fear is when you’re about to take a narrow blind corner and you hear a bus honking from the other side.
I’ve had people intentionally come close even though I’m in a bike lane.
Even had people stopped in traffic intentionally move over to block the bike lane when they see me coming. But I have an MTB with commuter tyres, so hopping the curb around them is no issue.
There’s no reason to assume malignancy. It’s likely they’re watching you, and drifted in the direction they’re looking.
Like how drunk drivers rear end cop cars that have already pulled someone over.
