Most people haven’t heard of zorin OS. People used to Mac and windows should try it. It has its own app store with all the apps needed by a regular Joe.
Get off American monopoly tech. The desktop is the easiest.
A GNU/Linux desktop has endless advantages and doesn’t include the anti-features.
Linux, in some form, runs a lot of your life already, even if you don’t know it.
If your a tech, you really should deeply know Linux/UNIX anyway.
Time to switch to linux, then.
Mac is going to shit too, which is so sad since that transition to ARM was a huge success. Their OS is ridiculously janky dogshit now. It’s not Microsoft level bad but it’s heading in the same direction.
I’m glad I finally started switching. The Linux stuff is more annoying in some ways but in predictable and therefore manageable ways. Mac=there is no war in bag sing sei. Windows=I have altered the deal, pray I do not alter it further.
There was a period when “ergonomics” became something users assumed to have been achieved for all eternity. Late 90s, early 00s, when developers generally made UIs following strict guidelines and looking natively with no designer bullshit.
Before that period (and before popularization of computers) “ergonomics” was something absolutely paramount, half of any mechanism a human uses. Another half would be the actual functionality, which differed between domain areas, but ergonomics didn’t. And once a factory would start issuing those mechanisms with some kind of control panel, it wouldn’t just release an update a few days earlier, no Star Trek transporters, no Harry Potter transfiguration, Carl!
So, somehow making ergonomic UIs is now irrelevant for profitability of making a product.
It’s not really about AI. It’s not really about ads. It’s not really about telemetry. And it’s not even really about something being slow.
It’s just about ergonomics of old concepts implemented being by inertia not totally awful, but gradually worsening, and ergonomics of new concepts implemented being non-existent. That’s all.
After spitting left and right for a few years even I would generally be fine with agentic AI or whatever else. If those things had ergonomic controls. They don’t.
What is wrong with Mac? I find macOS to be very clean and nice. I find it similar to KDE Plasma.
I have a Mac for work (dev shit) and used to love it. Still prefer it over Windows, but what really bugs me: All the preinstalled shit you can’t get rid of makes it do weird default behavior way too often. And the screens man. Trying to use multiple monitors on a dock makes me hate my life a little every day. It’s an absolute shitshow
Okay, cmd+space and search.
Waits.
Fucking why?
Results pop up, if what I want is on top (never is) I click and just before I do, it changes the top result and opens something else.
Fucking why?
Liquid Glass just existing.
Fucking why?
Giant window corner radius
Fucking why?
Dynamic resorting lists are awful.
I dont use macs, havent for years, but its genuinely sad their ui has fallen to that low.
My iphone just updated to the version with liquid glass and it’s the worst thing I have every fucking seen. Wasted space on the edges, over exaggerated animations, moving buttons that are normal (contacts in the phone app) from 1 click to 2+ depending on what ever fucking mood is is in, the lag on all the buttons where things bop around right as you click as if it’s loading ads on a page right before clicking a URL. I gave it a week and then sold my phone and go and android. Hurts breaking an entirely apple ecosystem household,but fuck liquid glass.
Apple‘s mobile UI definitely needed a visual overhaul. It’s time. But liquid glass was a step in the wrong direction. I’m firmly in the camp of neumorphism. This was horseshit. This does not solve a problem. It is not visually interesting. It is an obstacle in every goddamn fucking way. This says they had no engineers or designers in the room when they made this, it was all business majors and they fucking suck.
I’m firmly in the camp of neumorphism.
Why not good old 3d controls (or skeuomorphism) like in Winamp classic skin or Windows 3.11 or you get the general idea?
Why even combine fake 3d with flatness?
Also “electronic paper” (as in no 3d look, just lines and geometric figures and fillings, but not what’s called flat design - element borders are lines, elements without borders don’t exist) - fine. Think, if talking Apple, MacOS 8, but with less pretense.
I’ve actually been really enjoying MacOS because of how they’ve sort of abandoned it. There’s no gimmicky bullshit in it. It’s just simple and old school and just works.
Maybe I’ll give it a fresh install when the next OS releases.
Dude. American here. FUCK Windows 11 and fuck Microsoft for being what they are. Damn unethical pushy creepy bastards.
Im on the WIndows 10 Extended support. I’m either going to risk staying on 10, or move to linux. The big problems for me are 1 ) Visual studio doesn’t run on linux so I’d either have to learn a new editor or do a VM… I suppose 2) Gaming. A lot can happen in 8 months for improvements. But this might be the thing that holds me on Windows for a while. Saw a video of native Dota2 on linux runs like shit. 3) A solid remote desktop replacement. One that’s as good or better than what I’m using.
For coding, you could use VSCode, which is not the same as VS but it has enough extensions to probably support your use-case?
RustDesk has been my remote desktop replacement. Chross platform so you can try it on Windows before you switch to see if it checks your boxes.
I just switched from Windows to Linux a few weeks ago. Not sure about a replacement for visual studio, but I haven’t had an issue finding an open source application to do anything I did in windows. As for gaming, it works way better than I expected it to, but it’s still not as good overall IMHO. Some games run better without all the bloat of Windows 11, other games run way worse because they aren’t optimized in Linux, it’s been a bit of a crapshoot. For remote desktop, I use the thincast client to connect to other machines, and XRDP on my VMs. Thincast and xrdp work together better than AVD and the Windows App, by a longshot.
Gaming is my big issue. But now that my quality gaming time with family has gone from Warzone to ARC Raiders, it’s a far less daunting concern. I’ll probably wait and see if DMZ 2 supports Linux, which sadly I doubt, and if that game will cost
Been daily-driving Linux for several months now. There are literally zero critical workflows that I can’t do just because I’m not on Windows.
40% of things I use my PC for are browser-based. 40% have an equivalent FOSS app. 10% are Windows apps that run fine using Wine. The other 10% I can live without.
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I just installed Linux Mint last weekend. Working great so far!
Hopefully SteamOS Desktop is released some months before then, so that people have a comfy Linux to welcome them.
they were hounding me every fucking day on my only windows device, so I blocked all windows update domains on my pihole.
I don’t use it often, but use it to do 3D modeling/slicing.
I’m not exactly rejecting it, but I can’t afford to build a new computer that can run it till the AI bubble bursts.
Just to be a bit heretical: Its absolutely possible to install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware, look up Rufus, download the ISO from Microsoft and on you go.
I have managed to get it running on a NUC with a two core and 2 GB RAM after also running a debloat script.
edit: Completed post after my 3 year old crashed into me sending the phone into the neitherworld under the couch
It’s not a popular answer but you can get by with an older PC running Linux KVM. Windows 11 is fine as a guest OS, unless you need kernel level DRM from some applications.
Try to get a simple Linux distribution instead (Mint or Ubuntu). Depending on what you are using your computer for it might be just as good, even faster, than windows.
People aren’t just rejecting it and staying on 10. they are actively downgrading (going back to windows 10) or leaving the windows ecosystem entirely for Linux. Someone actually went out of their way to tally up and explain all the shit MS broke over the course of the last year. It’s a ridiculous number of things.
I don’t know about such claims. I’ve just finished installing W10 on one of my laptops.
Use case? BMW coding tools are only built for Windows and using them via wine doesn’t really work.
As a long time Linux use I can’t even describe what I’m feeling right now.
Microsoft removed my quick access links to my desktop folder today
why? I don’t know. I guess they want to force me to use the OneDrive desktop folder. which I do use, for shit I want synced to OneDrive. but I also have a local desktop folder I use for temp files, and fuck you very much Microsoft left me fucking use my computer how I want to
side note, I had a little program that would export a file that a user had open to their desktop in a specific format. great program, super useful for the application we were running it in, it made a multi-step process of navigating menus into a single button click. I’ve been using it for the past few years at this company. cue my surprise when some new people inform me that the button doesn’t work for them and so they haven’t been using it - BECAUSE MICROSOFT TOOK AWAY THE LOCAL USER DESKTOP FOLDER LMFAO. it blew my mind that people had to go manually create a desktop folder, I had never thought to add checking if that folder exists to the code.
Yep. I have 1 app that requires Windows (or Mac) that I use once every 4 or 5 weeks. I run Win 10 in a VM for that.
I think people hate win11 outside of Germany too. Lookup how to switch win 10 to iot ltsc (aka alphabet soup) I did this quickly and easily with the only issues being desktop icons rearranged (take a screen grab reference Prior if you care) and unfortunately my automatic updates don’t work for some reason (I’ve seen rumors about drive parti on issues maybe being the reason) but I can download and install updates manually still until 2032.
My office jumped ship at XP, it was that bad. We went to Linux because getting work done was actually more important.
So many things finally caught up, we did a lot of server client things with the Linux stack for field offices.
Now they call it the cloud. Which means it isn’t your server.
XP started the enshittification and it continued year after year…
XP started it?
XP was Tellytubby NT 2000.
In the micorosft line? Yes. Windows ID started here, telemetry, pushing their software, licensing schemes that only put you in control if you had a corporate key and so on.
Fair point.
