(Not you OP, you = governments)
You want to block corporate social media sites as propaganda
I want to block corporate social media sites because they’re parasites on society.
We are not the same.
Im actually quite upset that lawmakers havent used this to pass generalized privacy protection.
They have an opportunity to end mass survailance, but thats OK if its US survailance
Our tools of social connection vs their tools of propaganda.
Now fill in the possessive pronouns with either country and change them depending on the specific tool used.
Because the US government is more interested in picking who can spy on us for fun and profit, not whether anyone should.
I want to block them because they are both
I don’t care what they are. I just think the internet in its current state sucks and I like the idea of there being less of it.
What sucks is I’ve imagined a social media platform that was built with good intentions to actually better being people together and make their lives better. It’s one of the worst missed opportunities in recent memory.
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They’re technically not banning tiktok, they’re banning China from owning tiktok
Which is somehow even worse : it’s like only the USA is allowed to spy on everyone!
They can still spy, but why would we make it easier for them?
So you don’t ridiculise your country by promoting freedom of trade but seizing the assets of the countries you don’t like when it’s a better tech than yours.
You can’t be ridiculed if you feel no shame.
our most and least popular politician is a sex predator who earned all his money by his dad dying and is currently at risk of losing his money because he can’t stop lying about things.
The greatest monument to american shamelessness is Donald J Trump.
I’m not with my government on a lot of things they do. I want the same data rights and restrictions to apply to all companies that host people’s personal information.
But what’s this about Impressive tech? Tiktoc? First that’s laughable, even more laughable is how you phrase is as if anyone would give a fuck if another country had some better tech. Sounds like you are projecting your own insecurities.
It will be just as easy for them, just less profitable. Now they’ll just pay Zuckerberg or Musk for the information. If they aren’t already.
And it’s not like they can’t maintain use of the thing while not being owners. Come on. Like there’s some magic rule if a company’s not owned by China, it can’t be used as a Chinese intelligence source? Come on.
If social media is in cahoots with foreign intelligence, there are better ways to handle it in my opinion.
The fact that China is using disinformation to stop the forced sale of TikTok is pretty telling that they will be negatively impacted by this.
Or that they’re willing to expend energy to get us to think that.
Every superpower spies on their citizens. Every single one.
They’re functionally forcing the sale of the company to a US Firm at fire sale prices.
Yeah, you are right. They should do like they do in China, sell to a JV with a local company at fire sales price… Oh wait
sell to a JV with a local company at fire sales price
The Chinese policy is to share ownership with locals, so that a firm isn’t simply extracting wealth from the Chinese market.
The American policy is to seize a pre-existing firm after it has developed, by accusing its Singapore founder of being a secret Chinese Communist.
They’re not going to sell though. The US only makes up a single-digit % of their users.
Do you have a source for that?
This seems to claim the most users are from the U.S.
China doesn’t use the same product. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1299807/number-of-monthly-unique-tiktok-users/
The USA is the biggest single market
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/tiktok-users-by-country
How much of their ad revenue comes from America though?
This is primarily intended as a hostile buyout of tiktok. It has literally nothing to do with China.
Lmao, the USA doesn’t operate the commercial sector outside of power, trains, rockets, and planes. It won’t benefit from the sale in any way other than lowering Chinese involvement.
The US government works for the billionaires that run the economy. Many billionaires want to buy tiktok. In fact, there’s already teams of people set up for buying out tiktok. The government is just the tool for the hostile acquisition. No one said the US government is directly purchasing tiktok.
The US Government and Billionaires are opposing forces, one political party wants to tax billionaires while the other is on the payroll.
They’re not at all opposing forces. Some billionaires are in competition with each other and political parties are tools at certain billionaires disposal.
The act of taxing income is but one political mechanism used to influence the power of some billionaires over another.
So which of these shadow government billionaires is pro-government in your eyes?
I’m not sure I understand your question. They are both pro-government. If any one human could be the personification of government, it would be the President of the United States.
Don’t forget China blocks tiktok too.
IIRC China tried to stir up its internet users about the US blocking Tiktok and it fell flat because it’s blocked for them too.
China doesn’t block Douyin
I believe they use a different backend/storage. Different content shows up depending if you are searching from Tiktok or Douyin. Perhaps someone from Bytedance is curating select content from Tiktok for Douyin.
Either way, if I put a video on Tiktok it does not mean Chinese users on Douyin will see it.
https://chinasocialmedia.net/tiktok-and-douyin-are-not-the-same/
Ooh… i dont think the tankies will like this!
Its hilarious the instance the tankies most frequent is banned in china
Oh no anyway
Tankies like a lot of evil shit, so I really don’t care about what they like or don’t like.
My self hosted DNS does all of that banning too. But that’s just my little quality of life thing (and whatever little that does fighting the global data overlords).
The fine line between “I don’t want to do the thing” and “I don’t want you to be able to do the thing”.
Yes.
But it’s a blurred lines between having to do something or being pressured or heavily encouraged to do something (otherwise you are left out of an important social system).
I’m totally agreeing with you, just adding that sometimes infrastructure matters (as it gives little choice to population) & can be especially bad if there is a single entity behind it with it’s own agenda not aligned with users interests (eg for profit companies, or in this case I guess geopolitical stuff too).
China controls speech to Censor Genocide : boooo
America controls speech to Censor Genocide : yaaaay
The irony of America doing exactly the same censorship as China when the roles are reversed, and people are cheering it on as if it’s some gocha
Honestly the brain dead obvious political move outside of monied interests is strong legislation to protect peoples information.
But we won’t see that
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No way, only China and Russia (THE BAD GUYS) spy while the US is innocent and unaware of even how to spy because it’s the GOOD GUY.
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Huh, interesting. Thanks for that.
ETA: I realized I was unclear. I’m thanking the user for giving me such a clear reason to block them. It’s not always so cut and dry.
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Defederating from lemmy.ml? What a loss!
I hate tiktok
but all these talks about keeping children off phones is restricting the flow of information to a point that it scares me. we have Enciclopedias in our pockets ffs.
if the bar kids from easily accessing the internet, they’re effectively blocking 2mil people (14-17) from instant access to information. (I did some sleep deprived math, dont @me if its off)
As far as I know, there’s no legislation being talked about to keep kids off their phones, or even social media. This is more of a concern about China having unfettered access to user data at the drop of a hat, which I can absolutely agree is an issue. Though I don’t know that current legislation is the solution.
That said, kids absolutely do need to spend more time off their phone than they do. We’ve seen legitimate issues arise from perpetual phone use. The issue is… you can’t really legislate that. It’s parents that need to get their heads out of the sand and actually parent.
I love these winnie pooh memes
A FORCED SALE IS NOT A BAN.
I’ve said this like a thousand times and I hate repitition, but the USA as a whole has never tried to ban TikTok. Trump claims he did, it isn’t allowed for military servicemembers, but it has never been banned.
Forced sale only works if your government has any control over the organizational structure of your company which the USA does not. What they are effectively doing is forcing the American arm of Tik Tok to sell without access to it’s technology which China can absolutely deny. If the sale doesn’t go through, the US will ban its use. If they do sell, it will be without the technology and a company will be Tik Tok in name only having to essentially build the service from the ground up. This is an effective ban of Tik Tok regardless of the outcome.
What makes you think the proprietary rights held by the Chinese hold any sway in the USA? If they want to try suing they can, heck they can even take it to international courts, but they won’t have much luck given the evidence that China was using it maliciously.
What I mean is, there is no way the Chinese headquarters of tik Tok will let the America arm of the company have access to its algorithm. Tik Tok is nothing without its algorithm. At best it’s a large install base that will dwindle once they realize til Tok kinda sucks all of a sudden.
Oh that would be interesting, it seems very uneconomic for it to be that centralized because the US facilities would be useless but I suppose I could see it as a possibility. In that case, whoever they sell to could try to sue them with pretty unlikely odds of success. More likely China would just refuse to sell in that circumstance, in which case it would be the same as China themselves ending TikTok.
TikTok is literally a weapon created and used to undermine the USA (among other democracies but mainly USA) and to brainwash its citizens. Anyone who doesn’t see it is a useful idiot who bought into Chinese propaganda.
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I don’t know, but we can officially stop bragging about our “FrEeDoMs!”
