• @Ephoron
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    13 hours ago

    Anyone who wants a different candidate in 2028 that supports their views needed to get really involved in 2020, at the latest.

    They did.

    Again, your blind faith that the system will work if only the people just tried harder is sycophantic at best, if not downright insulting.

    And besides, you’re the one imploring them to just vote without any regard to policy, so what exactly is “getting involved”?

    Why would the Democrats listen to anything anyone says if they’re guaranteed your vote come election day anyway?

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      12 hours ago

      And besides, you’re the one imploring them to just vote without any regard to policy, so what exactly is “getting involved”?

      No, I’m saying that at this point in time that the next POTUS is either going to be Harris or Trump. Which of those two do you want it to be? Vote accordingly.

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        That’s the same thing.

        Your claim is that, come election time, we should always vote for the least worst party which has a chance of getting in. That’s always the Democrats and always will be if we follow your system.

        So the corollary of your system is that one party runs America for ever.

        So why bother with elections at all?

        • @echo@lemmings.world
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          12 hours ago

          You can deny reality all you want, but Harris or Trump is going to be the next POTUS. Which one do you want it to be?

          • @Ephoron
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            12 hours ago

            I want it to be whichever results from us attempting to preserve democracy.

            Our nation has taken far, far bigger risks than 4 years of Trump to preserve democracy.

            Determining something to be an acceptable risk is not the same as wanting it. Casualties are an acceptable risk of a just war. No one says people want soldiers to die.

            I’m prepared to risk a Trump presidency to preserve some semblance of democracy and make it clear that genocide is never an acceptable option. That doesn’t mean I want a Trump presidency any more than being prepared to risk soldier’s lives during war means you want soldiers to die.

            • @echo@lemmings.world
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              I’m prepared to risk a Trump presidency

              You’re not taking a risk. You are promoting a Trump presidency. If you can’t or won’t accept reality then there is no need to continue this conversation.