• @davidagain@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    Yes, there are just two outcomes. If Trump wins, the Democrats will again move to the right to occupy what passes for the centre ground in American politics. Kamala is one of the most pro worker candidates they’ve had in my lifetime. If they lose against the most incompetently bad president the country had in my lifetime with the most left candidate they’ve had in decades, they will pivot back to the “centre”.

    • @Ephoron
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      14 hours ago

      So if they loose because leftists don’t like their policies enough to vote for them, they’ll pivot right? What would be the logic behind such a decision?

      There’s thousands of leftist votes available, all they have to do to access them is produce a more left-wing agenda (like, say, not being complicit in war crimes).

      But you’re suggesting in response to this loss (as a result of not denouncing war crimes) they’ll not, you know, denounce war crimes next time, but rather shift even more into the ground that’s in direct competition with their only opponent and try to win die hard Republicans who’d vote a Big Mac into government if it wore a MAGA cap?

      Can you explain what you think their rationale would be for such a move?

      • @davidagain@lemmy.world
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        12 hours ago

        They’ll lose because some fatally online “leftists” can’t bring themselves to vote democrat no matter how bad the alternative is and they’ll pivot right because they have some hope of winning over centrists, and the right wing politicians are the ones who are winning and the supposedly left wing ones get 1% of the popular vote and zero members into the electoral college. It’s America after all.

        • @Ephoron
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          152 minutes ago

          Oh and this…

          They’ll lose because some fatally online “leftists” can’t bring themselves to vote democrat no matter how bad the alternative is

          … is a disgrace.

          They work for us. They chase our vote. That’s how democracy works. We don’t owe them a vote.

          I suggest maybe you stop blaming your fellow man, and defending those in power, and start blaming those in power and defending your fellow man.

        • @Ephoron
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          155 minutes ago

          they’ll pivot right because they have some hope of winning over centrists

          What makes you think that?

          I’ve already, in a different thread, posted the latest polls showing the majority of Americans want to stop arms sales to Israel. The data suggests stopping arms sales would win a huge number of votes, but it isn’t Democrat policy.

          If the Democrats are likely to shift policy to seek votes, then why haven’t they shifted to banning arms sales to Israel?

          Absent of further data, it doesn’t look at all like Democrat policy follows available votes. It looks more like Democrat policy follows the wishes of their wealthy donors, so unless they tack to the right, I can’t see why Democrat policy will.

          If you want to make a case that Democrat policy chases votes, you’ll have to explain why they’re not chasing the obvious anti-genocide vote?