The girls, aged 14 to 16, have come for settler training to learn how to occupy Palestinian land — breaking international law. “God promised us this land and told us if you don’t take it, bad people will try and take it and you will have a war,” says Emuna Billa, 19, one of the camp supervisors. “Why do we have a war in Gaza? Because we don’t take Gaza.”

Their guru is Daniella Weiss, a 79-year-old grandmother in a long skirt and patterned headscarf. Founder of the Nachala or Homeland movement, she has been setting up illegal settlements for 49 years and was recently put under international sanctions. “You will be the new emissaries,” she tells the 50 or so girls at the camp. “I call it redeeming, not settling and this is our duty.”

She unfurls a map of Israel and the Palestinian territories dotted with vivid pink house symbols to represent existing and proposed Jewish settlements. Not only are these all across the West Bank, but also in Gaza. Already 674 people have signed up for beachside plots there, she tells me, and “many more want to join”. When someone asks her about settling Lebanon she smiles and says, “Yes, there too”.

  • @bloodfart@lemmy.ml
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    -33 months ago

    You don’t need to say any of that because they’re already settlers. They’re already all those things because that’s what a settler is.

    There is no need for another word.

    • @theherk@lemmy.world
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      83 months ago

      I don’t think the term settler requires the land already be occupied, though it often is so there is that connotation. But there are better words to describe explicitly the invasion of land.

      • @bloodfart@lemmy.ml
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        03 months ago

        I know of one example of settlers moving into unoccupied land and that claim is disputed.

        If in all but one (possibly) circumstance the situation is the same then is the meaning tainted? No. Of course not. Settlers and settlement violently disrupt and displace the occupants of land in order to claim it for their own.

        In the context of Israel, settlers is the best word because Israel is a settler colonial state.

        Why do you think a different word is needed?

        • @Kiernian@lemmy.world
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          33 months ago

          Why do you think a different word is needed?

          Because the word has been largely washed of all negative connotations, at least across the minds of the majority of the populace in the U.S.

          If you are trying to convey what the word settler means in a dictionary by using it in casual conversation, you are likely to find that it is not carrying the full weight of its intended meaning in the mind(s) of the listener(s).

          This makes it a FUNCTIONALLY inadequate word despite being a technically correct one.

          • @bloodfart@lemmy.ml
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            03 months ago

            Why has the negative connotation of the word settlers been removed among people in the United States?

            Why has the negative connotation been removed in the state whose subjugation of other nations literally inspired Hitler?

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          I’m not saying another is needed necessarily, but that others may be more precise. Colonizers, for example, may be so. Settlers is a superset here, and the only reason it nearly always involves occupied land is because most habitable land is currently inhabited. Imagine that we begin to settle Mars, hypothetically. That would be settling without taking the land others are occupying. So the word is just imprecise.

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            03 months ago

            Settlers is absolutely pinpoint precise. There isn’t a need for a different word to describe what’s going on.

            Settlers is not a superset of colonizers.

            Hypothetical situations don’t matter. There’s no grand council of English language administration that considers every bizarre possibility and issues proclamations regarding them.

            The words settler and colonist in science fiction were chosen to invoke our history and imply the question of weather human expansion beyond earth was right at best and used to sell space trades to the same people buying cowboy trades at worst.

            • @theherk@lemmy.world
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              13 months ago

              I get that you believe that the term “settle” implies expelling others from a land, and if that were the case, you’d have a point. But I wonder if you’ve considered consulting a dictionary and the possibility that you’re mistaken.

              What I’m saying is that “settlers” is a superset of what is happening here, since “settle” doesn’t imply anything beyond:

              to establish in residence

              to furnish with inhabitants – https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/settle

              to arrive, especially from another country, in a new place and start to live there and use the land – https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/settle

              I’ve no doubt that you’ll push back on this and claim the definition in your head is better than those found in dictionaries, but the rest of us are just aware what it means.

              • @bloodfart@lemmy.ml
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                13 months ago

                I’m sorry, if you start with a dictionary definition you’re required to use the five paragraph format and start each one with a topic sentence.

                Surely you aren’t seriously suggesting that because the dictionary doesn’t explain the etymology, nuance and history that you have yourself recognized, said nuance, etymology and history doesn’t exist?

                That because the dictionary doesn’t say that settlers violently dispossess people of their homes it isn’t so?

                May I see even one example of that from (let’s just keep it short, we don’t care about history here, right?) the last 124 years?

                That ought to be easy. One example since 1900 of settlers just happening to come across a place to live without pushing some other population out or disrupting their lives or whatever.

                • @theherk@lemmy.world
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                  13 months ago

                  Every place that is currently inhabited was settled at least one time when no others lived there. It really doesn’t matter that you want to set the goalposts somewhere that fits some niche definition you are cultivating. You simply don’t seem to know what the word means.

                  • @bloodfart@lemmy.ml
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                    13 months ago

                    So no?

                    It ought to be easy! We’re talking about what words mean to people now, surely there’s an example of what you’re saying in the last 124 years that would reenforce the meaning you claim everyone understands!

                    Come on! Just one example of settlers bumbling their way into uninhabited land and living peacefully with the people around them in the last one and a quarter century!

                    In place of the dictionary, I recommend you read the book settlers instead.

    • @Crashumbc@lemmy.world
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      73 months ago

      While you’re correct, the word is misunderstood by the general public. So it doesn’t properly convey its meaning

      • @bloodfart@lemmy.ml
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        -23 months ago

        Words don’t properly convey their own meaning.

        People do when they use them.

        Rather than lament the way you perceive the present understanding in absolutes, why not start using the word settlers appropriately: preceded a cuss or followed by spitting.

        If you think people don’t understand how the word settlers conveys historical meaning then do something about it instead of accepting your own transport to another grammatical space wherein you colonize the meaning and context of other words.