• @lennybird@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Guess I’m another proud ban of the world news .ml instance. Honestly, the pettiness of the mods over there is insane. They’re a cult. I can’t help but think they’re at least partly hijacked by some state sponsored astroturfing campaign.

    • @nahuse@sh.itjust.works
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      I am so relieved to hear those bans aren’t uncommon.

      I’m new from Reddit (where I was similarly banned for questioning questionable news sources in relatively niche subs), and I was so sure this was a set up that fostered a bit more conversation and etiquette, like waayyy forever ago. So I was pretty upset when I got eviscerated for trying to argue a coherent point there in favor of using media literacy tools in order to help evaluating sources for bias and funding.

      I, too, am quite suspicious, given those mods and associated power posters on lemmy.ml, that there is a coordinated propaganda campaign there. Or, there are some turbo-nerd-tankies that regurgitate it at the speed of light of their own volition.

      • @PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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        538 months ago

        Tankies, like other fash, tend to push others out of spaces due to their vileness. I think it’s just a self-reinforcing cycle rather than coordination.

        • @lennybird@lemmy.world
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          228 months ago

          When I understood they’re descendents of ChapoTraphouse it all made sense. Half are righty astroturfers posing; some other sizable chunk are assuredly edgy teenagers. Some are foreign operatives. The rest are, frankly, the duped.

          • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
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            48 months ago

            I would actually pay to see the look on Dessalines face when he realizes that he’s the nerd God to a bunch of teenagers.

          • @nahuse@sh.itjust.works
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            118 months ago

            Is a real bummer because I am quite a lefty in my own group and general society, and I was hoping for some challenges from further left. But I guess if it’s not straight up revolutionary blood lust it’s just authoritarianism apologists.

            Again, it’s one of the reasons I was stoked to join the lemmy/fediverse in the first place.

            • @boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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              128 months ago

              Yeah. They are not further left, they’re just the slightly left wing inside the rest of right wing fascism

            • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
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              Same. This is my exact experience as well. They absolutely refuse to engage with broader leftist ideas on any academic level. They legitimately think the philosophy ended with Lenin and Mao. Even fucking Jacobin doesn’t have enough revolution fan service for them.

              I do kind of get a kick out of them quoting Chomsky though, who is absolutely no friend to Marxist-Leninist brain rot.

          • @Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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            58 months ago

            It’s interesting, my instance doesn’t block them, so we end up often getting pulled into threads if we don’t check the details.

            They definitely don’t like us when we show up, lol. You can tell they aren’t used to it, and they get legitimately angry when someone points out that American citizens aren’t evil, or that the world is more complex than their black and white views allow.

      • Admiral Patrick
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        8 months ago

        If you’re new from Reddit, welcome!

        I, too, am quite suspicious, given those mods and associated power posters on lemmy.ml, that there is a coordinated propaganda campaign there. Or, there are some turbo-nerd-tankies that regurgitate it at the speed of light of their own volition.

        Yes, and yes.

        I just blocked both of the .ml instances and a few others that tended to ideologically brigade every sub. Has dramatically improved my experience here. Before that, trying to block individual users was like swatting flies near a manure pile: a never-ending battle. Eventually you realize you simply need to move away from the manure pile.

      • @Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social
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        128 months ago

        Similar story here. Got banned from world news.ml on my first or second day for calling out russian/chinese govt talking points. Their go to is, “all western media is a lie, heres what glorious china has to say. At worst, the truth ‘Lies in the Middle’ TM.”

        On reddit id say its worse. Post api changes, all the left leaning communities got absolutely hijacked. Places that prided themselves on no bans were banning anyone not regurgitating russian propaganda or “noo vooting” rubbish.

        • @Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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          38 months ago

          It’s definitely worse here in the sense that there’s more blatant repression. But I prefer that to the insidious ways they do it on reddit.

          • @Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social
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            Hard disagree. I started picking up bans in formerly mildly left subs like therightcantmeme, more left leaning subs like completeanarchy, and the place was suddenly full of insidious left-passing communities like ultraleft over night. What were once spaces that banned no one, embraced many different leftist schools, and prided themselves on thinking for themselves now banned leftists who broke rank and file and instead offered the correct opinions on any host of issues the second one asked. To put another way, there was an influx of posts like, “im new, whats the [insert leftist branch here] thought on [insert modern political issue here]?” There was a time when these posts were not only hardly existent, but such asks would be met with, “go and read up on theory and see what u like, dont ask for ur thoughts to be spoon fed to u.”

            • @Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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              38 months ago

              I guess I was just referring to the larger subs on reddit like politics, news, and worldnews. I’m not part of any smaller political subs.

              • @Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social
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                38 months ago

                Ahh understood. I remember worldnews turning into, “and heres why the IDF is holy and Gaza should be leveled,” which, while batshit as well, is the opposite of what the tankies are saying.

                • @Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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                  58 months ago

                  The big subs really ramped it up when it came to Israel. Worldnews would have whole threads with 600 comments all saying [removed]. Prior to that it was much more subtle.

                  • @Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social
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                    58 months ago

                    Lol i remember all that in worldnews, but the other big subs i remember being much more sane in that regard. Politics and news i remember acknowledging that its a fucking genocide

        • @boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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          88 months ago

          I think I’ve seen them mention that their personal views shouldn’t affect Lemmy’s moderation and administration in practice and the code of conduct reflects that. However there’re communities where they’re the only mod and the worldnews style random reason modding is apparent there as well

          • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
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            68 months ago

            They 100% intend to keep their thumb on the scale as much as possible. I think their behavior has shown pretty conclusively that they cannot be trusted and will abuse any tiny bit of power they can.

        • @nahuse@sh.itjust.works
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          78 months ago

          I assumed and gathered the gist of the general ideology here, even if I don’t know the story at all.

          I was attracted to the decentralized aspect of it all, and was hoping for challenging views and conversations. I ended up having what I found to be a frustrating but productive one, that then ended up gradually deleted by mods and then I was banned.

          I wanna get out of the echo chambers it’s so easy to create.

          It really sucked!

          • @daltotron@lemmy.world
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            28 months ago

            I wanna get out of the echo chambers it’s so easy to create.

            I think you’d probably have to log off to escape that, but then you’d just be confined to a different kind of inescapable echo chamber

        • @FrostyCaveman@lemm.ee
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          78 months ago

          the free software “movement” as it were attracts everyone from tankies to ancaps, and personally I think that’s great. At least (almost) everyone can agree on something

      • @Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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        78 months ago

        I 100% believe at least a few of them are either state sponsored, or political extremists (drank waaay too much kool-aid.)

        It’s hard to say emphatically which it is. Their responses are just so incredibly far beyond reasonable.

      • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
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        78 months ago

        Most of them are literally just children going through their edgy “I have no stake in society so burning it all down makes sense to me” phase.

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      8 months ago

      Couple weeks back I got a 30 day. Made no comment in their instance. Was a random preemptive ban. The mod account listed the reason as a rule 4 violation. That’s their rule for spam and ads.

      • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
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        128 months ago

        Yup it has been fairly recent that they’ve just started handing out bans for activity on other instances. You can tell they are very upset that they aren’t the biggest instance anymore and hate that they can’t control the whole fediverse as such.

        • @Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works
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          Yep and for commenting here I picked up a few more preemptive bans in other sections of ml.

          It’s pitiful behavior really. If their ideology was so solid they shouldn’t need to stop someone like me also on the left disagreeing with their authoritarian solutions. Everyone should be against authoritarianism period.

    • @boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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      The modlog there is wonderful. Bans all over the place without context to the reasons, what the banned might have done, or who was the mod

      • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
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        It’s because if you get into it with a tankies on another instance, or talk shit about them (like in this thread) they will get butthurt and go find anything you’ve posted on .ml recent and ban you for it.

        People need to realize that .ml isn’t some innocent actor just trying to keep themselves free of trolls. They 100% intend to leverage their status within the fediverse to keep their thumb on the scale.

      • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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        118 months ago

        Anything against groupthink is removed. Downvotes are not enough. It straight to the gulag.

    • Diplomjodler
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      158 months ago

      How dare you suggest Xi Xinping isn’t the greatest benefactor of humanity of all times, you filthy capitalist pig? And I’m only slightly exaggerating here.

      • @5in1k@lemm.ee
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        78 months ago

        They don’t like it when I drag my balls across Xi Jinping’s face and he starts motorboating for sure.

      • @nahuse@sh.itjust.works
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        128 months ago

        I don’t even mind that, and regularly attend those kinds of events at local campuses or book stores.

        But why have those discussions if you’re just going to ban people who question theory from literally 70 years ago? Times change, and so frank discussions about what to bring into this he future to help with global emancipation isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

        But don’t try to tell me that none of these dictators did anything wrong, or that they should be forgiven because other people do bad shit, too.

      • @WamGams@lemmy.ca
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        They have a discord?

        This explains the coordination attacking people who make anti Hamas statements.

    • @someguy3@lemmy.world
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      Ml is very anti-West in my experience. I heard about that kind of thing existing but wow. I think they conglomerated on Lemmy long before Lemmy was popular.

      • Cowbee [he/they]
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        Lemmy was made by and is developed by Marxist-Leninists as a response to Reddit. You aren’t going to find any pro-west Marxist-Leninists. The admins of Lemmy.ml are also Marxist-Leninists, so in general Lemmy.ml is going to be far less pro-west than Lemmy.World, which is a Liberal Instance.

        Lemmy.ml has fantastic FOSS and Privacy communities, so not all members are Marxists, but generally liberals coming from Reddit go to Lemmy.world, while Marxists go to other communities, in my experience.

    • @Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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      I got banned from one of the .ml communities in my first week here for simply saying I didn’t believe in any particular form of government.

      Like, that’s all I said. I told them socialism, capitalism, communism - I think we need a mix, not a selection. And they were like BANNED. I didn’t swear, nor was a disrespectful - I simply dissented, and their CCP brains exploded from my audacity.

      This was way back when most of us came over on the FuckSpezflower.

    • @WamGams@lemmy.ca
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      78 months ago

      I blocked them because their users, thinking I was Jewish, were constantly harassing me.

      • Kalkaline
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        Centrist? People may not be full blown Marxist around here, but they’re pretty close. Just ask about landlords or universal healthcare or unions.

        • @whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          lmao no people regularly call me a shill for the CCP/Russia/etc at a frequency I’ve not encountered in other online spaces. they call me “grad”, hexbear etc, like those are slurs? The transphobia is rampantly unchecked, any trans related article has a ton of gender-critical (transphobic) take. My experience is that there may be some Token Issues, but generally people are very centrist and hostile to leftists.

          • @ChilledPeppers@lemmy.world
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            Dude, your instance is all about trans people? I am kinda new here (6 months?), and I almost never see any hate speech towards trans people, at most some comment with 50 downvotes that is going to me deleted by a mod in a couple odd hours…

            And maybe you are confusing leftists with tankies. Tankies think that russia and china are ok, because they are anti-us imperialism, and defend the soviet union because it was socialist and what not. Most leftist here aren’t tankies, and they recognize that china, russia and the ussr where/are brutal regimes that killed thousands. We still want socialism, but we don’t support genocide because you pretend to be socialist/anti capitalist/imeperialist…

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              I’m talking about gender critical, it’s not overt transphobia so you have to pay attention and look out for more than just slurs.

              I’m not confusing tankies and lefties, for one tankies are a subcategory of leftists. But people on here see any leftist comment and will comment about people being shills.

              • NaibofTabr
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                The transphobia is rampantly unchecked, any trans related article has a ton of gender-critical (transphobic) take.

                I’m talking about gender critical, it’s not overt transphobia so you have to pay attention and look out for more than just slurs.

                My my, look how fast those goalposts move…

                I’m not confusing tankies and lefties, for one tankies are a subcategory of leftists.

                Tankies are a subcategory of authoritarians.

                • @Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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                  The trans to tankie pipeline is imo even more fascinating than the hippie to fascist one. I like to hang out in blahaj just to gawk at it.

                  Like, if you go to Russia or China they will kill you. The “liberals” you hate so much are what’s protecting your existence. You’re like a Black person praising the KKK for fighting against government tyranny.

                  • @PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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                    I’ve known a surprising amount of online trans liberals who moved to the alt-right as well. Probably something about societal pressures releasing (or forcing) the unmooring of norms (in this case, of ideology) and thus shifting trans folk towards non-standard ideologies. Or, if one prefers, releasing them from the influence of our society instilling the ideology of liberal democracy, since that is the mainstream of all political mainstreams in the West.

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                  That’s the same thing I said before? About gender critical? I wasn’t moving the goalposts I was literally reminding you what I told you.

                  I’m not going to bother with your misunderstanding of political theory.

                  • NaibofTabr
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                    There’s a big gap between “transphobia is rampantly unchecked” and “it’s not overt transphobia”, whether you want to acknowledge that or not.

                    The “political theory” spouted by tankies is a cover. They reveal their true nature in the people that they glorify, such Mao, Stalin, Xi Jinping and even the Kim dynasty.