Maybe if you understand why people react like that, you can be more than just frustrated about it.
Most people know that it’s morally questionable to eat meat, but they do it so often they’d have to consider themself evil to accept that. The alternative is to just double down on it and exclaim that the non-meat eater is the baddie for pushing their beliefs on people.
You can notice it when you just subtly bring it up and the way people overreact.
Dont you friggin dare make eating meat a political thing. Trump is a fucking cunt but if hes the only one defending you right to eat meat hes gonna have a whole lot more support than he does now. What you just implied is its anti woke to eat meat. I want you to think about how you just compared thousands of years of human suffering for so many different areas to eating a friggin bird that doesnt recognise itself in a mirror.
Meat is becoming political whether you like it or not. This is how politics have historically worked, people aren’t born conservative, they’re born, things are normalized and go unquestioned until you’re older and society changes enough.
In Europe there are (left-leaning) political parties entirely devoted to the cause of eliminating the animal holocaust.
People who are “left-leaning” in America say in 2010 as a 25 year old will be considered conservative in America in 2050 as a 65 year old, without their politics changing at all. They’ll be pro-Israel, pro animal abuse, pro-capitalism, and complaining how “leftists have gone off the deep end” being against animal abuse, worker abuse, and Palestinian genocide.
You dare compare the deaths of 6million people to that of animals. In my country there are also parties devoted to stopping all “animal abuse” they almost got 2% of the vote last election (thats with a preferential voting system) just cos an idea exists in the market place of ideas juat cos its new doesnt mean it better. I dont support animal abuse but im gonna go home and have chicken shnitty tonigh becausd thats not abuse imo. Non capitalist ideas have existed for hundreds of years at this point there is yet to be a successsfull implementation its been tested its failed we have diaregarded the idea and stuck with what works (there are many problema i dont deny that but at least it works). Israel palestine is whats called a basketcase 2 nations trying to exterminate eachother i believe the common term for this is called war the victor will write history as though they where on a just cause doing what must be done disregarding objective reality did we really need to firebomb dresdon unfound hiroshima and nagasaki was that nessasary or war crimes history says nesaasary cos we won and we wrote history thats just how it is how its been for thousands of years its the evolutinary most benificial move it will continue.
I think its a very conservative viewpoint that peoples views dont change over time mine have mine will continue to i went hard left i went hard right both sides trying to tell me how to act how to think i came to a realisation that its all bullshit now i look at both sides and make up my own mind. You are clearly being told how to think by the left i bet you have never gone to the most depraved parts of the alt right and read what they say empathised with it understood it you canot possibly think u understand something unless u have understood both sides you are being told how to think not thinking for yourself. I get it you truely beleive that killing animals is equivilent to murder im guessing u have done neither of those things so you cannot understand either. Go watch a human beg for their life before getting shot then go watch a chicken get killed by a farmer that cares about their animals one he has raised and cared for, then tell me thats the same (im guessing u wont do either cos u are too soft, to unwilling, to brainwashed, to stuck in your ways to watch both sides and come to a conclusion yourself).
Holocaust was a word before the Jewish holocaust you twat. Yes, you support animal abuse in the only way that matters, financially. You’re the same as people who pay to watch dogs fight or animal rapists.
What is happening to animals is definitionally a holocaust, it has nothing to do with the Jewish one.
Congrats on being a moderate lib, it shows. Have fun eating the tortured animal carcass, hope it makes you feel better. I’ll go have some plants because I don’t need to abuse animals to feel better about myself like fuckwit carnists.
Was a word yes it was actually used to describe large scale scale catastrophy often caused by fire (a remnent of its greek origins often used during sacrifises via fire). I finacially support the systematic production and slaughter of animals this is not supporting. Andd i do not suppor dog fighting or zoophillia. The word holocause has changed meaning due to the angry austrian that is the imagery i suspect you are trying to purposefully invoke.
Are you going to go try learn anything from the other sude of you politicsl divide or are u going to continue to hurl insults across the grand canion uve dug yourself so u dont have to challenge your own thinking? Not turtured humanly killed yes it does it prevents me being malnorished and becoming a total cunt. Again they aint being abused and yes i enjoy eating animals they are very delicouse. Are you saying im a fuckwit for being an omnivore as optimised and adapted to for by natural selection or because u think im a fuckwit who happens to enjoy eating meat?
I feel like I’m somewhere in between. I wish I could eat less meat, and I try really hard to eat more green “ruffage”, but also I’m simply not bougie enough to have a fridge constantly stocked with produce, nor the time to prepare it into something fulfilling before it goes bad, and I’m already struggling with keeping weight and muscle for my height and age.
I also refuse to eat substitutes that are “It’s like a thing you ate, but instead it’s molded flavored soy!”
Even still, industrial soy and palm oil farming have also been destroying the environment, by the way.
I’d be much more okay with respectfully eating something I hunted, that would feed my family for weeks or months, but I live in a bizarre place in the middle of the desert that by all rights shouldn’t even exist.
So the cognitive dissonance is a source of stress, but I also would like to survive so…?
I think ur over thinking it. Im pretty sure most people dont like being told what to do. I dont consider myself evil for earing meat why should i? I source most of my meat from responsible farmers most of whoms farms i have seen myself. Those animals live good happy lives then hop skip and a bolt to the head they end up in my freezer. You welcome to do as u wish as long as ur not stopping me from doing as i wish. If u tell someone they cant do something or are evil for doing something then of cause they are not going to be happy its called self determination.
I also don’t like being told what to do. But I can also recognise that its an extremely childish response to say “well you asked me not to, so I’m going to do it more”.
Its not childish according to game theory its the perfect responce a strong incentive not to repeat the activity. Its a u told me to do x cos u dont want x to happen i enjoy doing x im going to do x more now that u told me not to do x its an incentive to not tell people to not do x.
That’s the dumbest application of game theory I’ve ever heard.
This example would only apply if there were a finite amount of animals shared between the two people only and there were no other factors at play other than eating and being hungry. Additionally let’s assume the x is [eat animals]. This then defines the reason why people are telling you to not eat animals (the second x) as simply because “they don’t like it”. It shows you are missing the point entirely.
Don’t pretend your “you don’t like it so I’m going to do more of it” is anything more than “owning the annoying vegans who told me what to do”.
Everything can be boiled down to wants and needs u dont need to not eat animals u want to not eat animals. There are a finite amount of animals and if there was infinite u run into an infinity paradox (its the equivilent to a trolly problem of 1 person per integer on track a and 1 person per even integer on track b doesnt matter where the trolly goes the same number of people die) hence if there was infinite u being vegan does literally nothing. I didnt say its the only reason just that its not childish to implement optimal game theory.
It not just owning the vegans (though it does do that effectivly) its mathematically assigning a cost for u for telling someone what to do.
You realize you only get told what to do by vegans because you hang out where they hang out. If you keep coming here and arguing with them, you probably are here because it serves your own needs somehow…
How is !comicstrips@lemmy.world in any way associated with vegans. And yes i quite enjoy arguing in general your not special your just one of the many many groups of people i enjoy disagreeing with like u are entertaining ill give u that maybe on the same level as the extreme left or russian shill but at least ur not as dumb as the ccp supporters.
Good point, most people just justify it and don’t really question the morality. But after being told, precisely how and why it is probably immoral, and that animals dont live peaceful lives at the happy factory, what do you do?
That’s when coping mechanisms kick in.
I’m not even vegan, im just interested in the psychology of it all.
My cope is unga bunga monkey instincs and soy crap is expensive.
There is no god, morality is invented by humans, it’s not punishable by law, therefore no consequences for my actions on me.
As for everything affected by my actions, keep it at a safe distance i guess? Just like you, don’t rub it in my face because it makes me uncomfortable.
I think if we all seriously started analysing our actions as much as vegans want us to, we’d all hate ourselves for even existing.
But im too tired for this wannabe deep bullshit so ima go back to destroying the planed by having a server somewhere emit pollution so i can listen to muh monkey brain happy songs on youtube.
Yeah sometimes i wonder why i argue with these assholes then i come up with a line like “hop skip and a bolt to the head” and my little monkey brains goes hahahaha. I mean im trying not to think abt it too hard but the vegans might be right we arnt that different we kill our fellow humans with almost every action we take so in the end its the vegans who care so much about not harming animals that murder is illegal therefore its their fault there is any difference at all.
Funny how when it comes to veganism that everyone suddenly only eats the flesh pf animals they knew personally and that were cuddled to death. Do you ever order food made with animal products when eating out?
Maybe if you understand why people react like that, you can be more than just frustrated about it. Most people know that it’s morally questionable to eat meat, but they do it so often they’d have to consider themself evil to accept that. The alternative is to just double down on it and exclaim that the non-meat eater is the baddie for pushing their beliefs on people. You can notice it when you just subtly bring it up and the way people overreact.
I don’t know if it goes that deep. Lately in the US it seems like yet another anti-woke playbook thing for the far right.
Dont you friggin dare make eating meat a political thing. Trump is a fucking cunt but if hes the only one defending you right to eat meat hes gonna have a whole lot more support than he does now. What you just implied is its anti woke to eat meat. I want you to think about how you just compared thousands of years of human suffering for so many different areas to eating a friggin bird that doesnt recognise itself in a mirror.
Meat is becoming political whether you like it or not. This is how politics have historically worked, people aren’t born conservative, they’re born, things are normalized and go unquestioned until you’re older and society changes enough.
In Europe there are (left-leaning) political parties entirely devoted to the cause of eliminating the animal holocaust.
People who are “left-leaning” in America say in 2010 as a 25 year old will be considered conservative in America in 2050 as a 65 year old, without their politics changing at all. They’ll be pro-Israel, pro animal abuse, pro-capitalism, and complaining how “leftists have gone off the deep end” being against animal abuse, worker abuse, and Palestinian genocide.
You dare compare the deaths of 6million people to that of animals. In my country there are also parties devoted to stopping all “animal abuse” they almost got 2% of the vote last election (thats with a preferential voting system) just cos an idea exists in the market place of ideas juat cos its new doesnt mean it better. I dont support animal abuse but im gonna go home and have chicken shnitty tonigh becausd thats not abuse imo. Non capitalist ideas have existed for hundreds of years at this point there is yet to be a successsfull implementation its been tested its failed we have diaregarded the idea and stuck with what works (there are many problema i dont deny that but at least it works). Israel palestine is whats called a basketcase 2 nations trying to exterminate eachother i believe the common term for this is called war the victor will write history as though they where on a just cause doing what must be done disregarding objective reality did we really need to firebomb dresdon unfound hiroshima and nagasaki was that nessasary or war crimes history says nesaasary cos we won and we wrote history thats just how it is how its been for thousands of years its the evolutinary most benificial move it will continue.
I think its a very conservative viewpoint that peoples views dont change over time mine have mine will continue to i went hard left i went hard right both sides trying to tell me how to act how to think i came to a realisation that its all bullshit now i look at both sides and make up my own mind. You are clearly being told how to think by the left i bet you have never gone to the most depraved parts of the alt right and read what they say empathised with it understood it you canot possibly think u understand something unless u have understood both sides you are being told how to think not thinking for yourself. I get it you truely beleive that killing animals is equivilent to murder im guessing u have done neither of those things so you cannot understand either. Go watch a human beg for their life before getting shot then go watch a chicken get killed by a farmer that cares about their animals one he has raised and cared for, then tell me thats the same (im guessing u wont do either cos u are too soft, to unwilling, to brainwashed, to stuck in your ways to watch both sides and come to a conclusion yourself).
Holocaust was a word before the Jewish holocaust you twat. Yes, you support animal abuse in the only way that matters, financially. You’re the same as people who pay to watch dogs fight or animal rapists.
What is happening to animals is definitionally a holocaust, it has nothing to do with the Jewish one.
Congrats on being a moderate lib, it shows. Have fun eating the tortured animal carcass, hope it makes you feel better. I’ll go have some plants because I don’t need to abuse animals to feel better about myself like fuckwit carnists.
Was a word yes it was actually used to describe large scale scale catastrophy often caused by fire (a remnent of its greek origins often used during sacrifises via fire). I finacially support the systematic production and slaughter of animals this is not supporting. Andd i do not suppor dog fighting or zoophillia. The word holocause has changed meaning due to the angry austrian that is the imagery i suspect you are trying to purposefully invoke.
Are you going to go try learn anything from the other sude of you politicsl divide or are u going to continue to hurl insults across the grand canion uve dug yourself so u dont have to challenge your own thinking? Not turtured humanly killed yes it does it prevents me being malnorished and becoming a total cunt. Again they aint being abused and yes i enjoy eating animals they are very delicouse. Are you saying im a fuckwit for being an omnivore as optimised and adapted to for by natural selection or because u think im a fuckwit who happens to enjoy eating meat?
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I feel like I’m somewhere in between. I wish I could eat less meat, and I try really hard to eat more green “ruffage”, but also I’m simply not bougie enough to have a fridge constantly stocked with produce, nor the time to prepare it into something fulfilling before it goes bad, and I’m already struggling with keeping weight and muscle for my height and age.
I also refuse to eat substitutes that are “It’s like a thing you ate, but instead it’s molded flavored soy!” Even still, industrial soy and palm oil farming have also been destroying the environment, by the way.
I’d be much more okay with respectfully eating something I hunted, that would feed my family for weeks or months, but I live in a bizarre place in the middle of the desert that by all rights shouldn’t even exist.
So the cognitive dissonance is a source of stress, but I also would like to survive so…?
I think ur over thinking it. Im pretty sure most people dont like being told what to do. I dont consider myself evil for earing meat why should i? I source most of my meat from responsible farmers most of whoms farms i have seen myself. Those animals live good happy lives then hop skip and a bolt to the head they end up in my freezer. You welcome to do as u wish as long as ur not stopping me from doing as i wish. If u tell someone they cant do something or are evil for doing something then of cause they are not going to be happy its called self determination.
I also don’t like being told what to do. But I can also recognise that its an extremely childish response to say “well you asked me not to, so I’m going to do it more”.
Its not childish according to game theory its the perfect responce a strong incentive not to repeat the activity. Its a u told me to do x cos u dont want x to happen i enjoy doing x im going to do x more now that u told me not to do x its an incentive to not tell people to not do x.
That’s the dumbest application of game theory I’ve ever heard.
This example would only apply if there were a finite amount of animals shared between the two people only and there were no other factors at play other than eating and being hungry. Additionally let’s assume the x is [eat animals]. This then defines the reason why people are telling you to not eat animals (the second x) as simply because “they don’t like it”. It shows you are missing the point entirely.
Don’t pretend your “you don’t like it so I’m going to do more of it” is anything more than “owning the annoying vegans who told me what to do”.
Everything can be boiled down to wants and needs u dont need to not eat animals u want to not eat animals. There are a finite amount of animals and if there was infinite u run into an infinity paradox (its the equivilent to a trolly problem of 1 person per integer on track a and 1 person per even integer on track b doesnt matter where the trolly goes the same number of people die) hence if there was infinite u being vegan does literally nothing. I didnt say its the only reason just that its not childish to implement optimal game theory.
It not just owning the vegans (though it does do that effectivly) its mathematically assigning a cost for u for telling someone what to do.
You realize you only get told what to do by vegans because you hang out where they hang out. If you keep coming here and arguing with them, you probably are here because it serves your own needs somehow…
How is !comicstrips@lemmy.world in any way associated with vegans. And yes i quite enjoy arguing in general your not special your just one of the many many groups of people i enjoy disagreeing with like u are entertaining ill give u that maybe on the same level as the extreme left or russian shill but at least ur not as dumb as the ccp supporters.
Yea, they had such good lives. Keep telling yourself that
I literally was looking at their lives with my own 2 godamn eyes how could i have made a better judgement than that?
So you would have no problem trading places with them then?
Do i look like a friggin lamb or chicken to u? Would u like to swap places with ur pet dog?
Good point, most people just justify it and don’t really question the morality. But after being told, precisely how and why it is probably immoral, and that animals dont live peaceful lives at the happy factory, what do you do? That’s when coping mechanisms kick in.
I’m not even vegan, im just interested in the psychology of it all. My cope is unga bunga monkey instincs and soy crap is expensive. There is no god, morality is invented by humans, it’s not punishable by law, therefore no consequences for my actions on me. As for everything affected by my actions, keep it at a safe distance i guess? Just like you, don’t rub it in my face because it makes me uncomfortable.
I think if we all seriously started analysing our actions as much as vegans want us to, we’d all hate ourselves for even existing. But im too tired for this wannabe deep bullshit so ima go back to destroying the planed by having a server somewhere emit pollution so i can listen to muh monkey brain happy songs on youtube.
Yeah sometimes i wonder why i argue with these assholes then i come up with a line like “hop skip and a bolt to the head” and my little monkey brains goes hahahaha. I mean im trying not to think abt it too hard but the vegans might be right we arnt that different we kill our fellow humans with almost every action we take so in the end its the vegans who care so much about not harming animals that murder is illegal therefore its their fault there is any difference at all.
Funny how when it comes to veganism that everyone suddenly only eats the flesh pf animals they knew personally and that were cuddled to death. Do you ever order food made with animal products when eating out?