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If only there was an alternative to windows somewhere!
In a corporate setting there usually isn’t
In a corporate setting you’re probably using Active Directory for authentication and don’t have a local account anyway.
My home workstation should never resemble a workstation in a corporate setting; especially not when I don’t intend to work at a company that I need to report to an office for.
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If you do, you don’t know what your doing
There is a local Administrator account in an AD environment (just like on all Windows systems), but that may be disabled.
As for the domain users, you have a locally created profile and because it caches your credentials you can sign in offline, but your account isn’t local in the sense that you could sign in offline (or without access to the domain) indefinitely. For on-prem AD, at least with 2012R2, 2012, and 2008R2 (the last versions I worked with, so can’t speak for newer) by default the length that clients held onto that cache was 30 days, but it was configurable in Group Policy. If your device was away from the domain for longer than that you would no longer be able to sign in.
Depending on how your domain is configured you might even have your profile redirected to a network share somewhere, making the account even less local.
Microsoft accounts on personal devices function in basically the same way. If they’re offline for too long you stop being able to logon, but you won’t lose data in your user folder (unless you’ve setup profile redirection to One Drive or an SMB share on a NAS).
In neither of those scenarios would I say your account is local, because a network connection is required for initial sign in and then periodically afterwards to be able to use the device with your account.
I use Linux on my desktop at work, and sometimes you might end up with an apple computer instead depending on the employer.
The monopoly is slipping.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Same. The Linux setup there is a fucking mess though… AD authentication freezes login for a minute or so if you switch networks at the wrong moment, puppet keeps messing with the system and recently they installed clamav as a live malware scanner on all machines, making them eat batteries for breakfast and slowing down even menial tasks. If you have admin rights, they refuse to add your user to sudoers but instead create a new admin user (another indicator that they’re just really coming from windows) which everybody just uses to add their original user to sudoers, which was a nice workaround but which they now noticed and want to prohibit via puppet or user rights or something. It’s just such a mess. I mean, still leagues ahead of using windows, but a corporate environment really is a machine that transforms time and money into a terrible experience for everybody.
IT departments will have to adapt, of course.
I mean they (actually we) usually have a bad time even transitioning from windows 10 to 11, Linux will 100% be a mess for a good while.
Oh we have a dedicated Linux service contract with a dedicated Linux support company that has technicians just to deal with Linux issues and provide the Linux setup. We’ve had time to adapt. I guess some bloke still decided that there just had to be a malware scanner and now we all have to eat shit. This is much less a lesson for it departments and much more a lesson that the people who manage stuff just have other goals than the people working with the tools that are managed, so you end up with somebody who wants to cover their ass in case something goes wrong in the future and makes it a terrible experience for everybody in the process but can sell it as a necessity to the people below and as action to the people above.
Why don’t they go with Microsoft Defender for Linux? I have never used it so don’t know if it’s still a battery hog…
I mean, scanning your download folder, if there is something new, could make sense in a high-risk environment. But only if.
They’ve tossed ClamAV on mine but it’s not on the AD, thankfully.
I used Linux at my old job, which was a start-up with no IT. But at my current job, which is a massive tech corporation with overbearing IT, they require us to use Windows. :(
Though I don’t have an option to use a local account on my work laptop anyway.
In a corporate setting it isn’t your computer though.
Yeah, corporate dystopia is a thing.
Redhat?
In tech jobs where you write code, everyone uses Linux or mac. :)
I had a ying yang work experience with two companies as a pupil.
One used Linux and I had unexpected skills making me solve and create a product/feature. The project manager was kind and a nerd like me. The chef was sweet kind.
The other company used Microsoft products in every corner like a hardcore football fan. The project manager was kinda toxic and it was hard to explain something to him as he pretended to have knowledge and the chef was rarely in a happy mood and often screaming at him. He didn’t knew many things about Microsoft products and browser itself, he just coded and didn’t understood its entirety back knowledge. He expected me to be some master student and graded me bad for skills no pupil had in our class as we just only learned Java in school, I could use all langauages they used and it still wasn’t enough.
Y u no program like senior engineer when you come out of school. We even pay you competitive ( minimum ) IT wage!
Code more for company in your own time so you can catch up.
1/5 performance review.
I wish that was the case. Also, I was being sarcastic. :)
This is not true in my experience. My current employer requires us to use Windows.
I will soon have to use a windows PC for my next project. Also one of my previous clients was using only windows PCs for dev (as well as Gerrit instead of Github).
Good evening
There are a few alternatives to Windows out there at this time, if you were to look into React OS and Great Tea OS to see what those are about.
I didnt check them in depth but if someone has to run windows apps they seem pretty interesting!
Except adobe there hardly seems to be anything that technically has to use windows though. Most apps and games run great on linux.
This is not new. Microsoft has been pushing users further into their SaaS ecosystem for years. Creating a local account on Windows 10 is more difficult than signing up for a Microsoft account. That’s by design. It just goes along with the transition of their core business away from desktop software and into hosted solutions and data processing. Annoying? A little. Surprising? Hardly.
One of the first things MS did after buying Mojang was to slap Azure AD on it for account management; and it’s been a number of years now since they switched to that being the only way to authenticate to Minecraft.
This has definitely been the frog boiling strategy at Microsoft for a decade or so. It’s likely a big part of why Windows 11 exits, too.
The website forced to disable the ad blocker in order to see the content.
I complied and then the content was hidden in a sea of ads. Blocked again. Won’t comply again on XDA.
Ad free link: https://archive.is/438FJ
Let alone the cookie notification is not following the rules. There is no deny/reject option
Standard sh*tty behavior from AdmiralAnti-Adblock. I usually either disable JavaScript, or enter Reader mode
I wish that company would cease to exist tbh
Disable js in uBlock, no urging, no ads.
Huh, not getting that at all. Works just fine for me. Nevertheless, XDA really has gone downhill over time
The only urge I have is to ditch Windows.
The last windows I had on my home machine was Win95.
Embrace the penguin.
My kids didn’t have any problem figuring out how to do what they wanted to do on a Linux machine, it’s really not that hard to move.
For the first time in a long time I might stick seeing the state of Linux today, especially Plasma 6. I’m eyeing Fedora 40 or Bazzite, tried Kinoite and pretty much everything I need works out of the box, the only thing I need to figure out is OneDrive.
Can they just fuck off already? I sign into windows like once every 2 months and every time it’s different and a worse experience. All my customizations using built in menus get messed up too and the shit that just shows up without asking. “We put the search back on the start bar!” Like fucking actually why?!
While I am using AtlasOS (Windows with bloat stripped off), it still kinda behaves like windows in someway compared to Ameliorated which doesn’t have Microsoft tracking and updates anymore.
I woke up in the night and stared at my PC at around 3:00am and suddenly my PC starts from the suspend. I assume this is a way to update Windows secretely but I never asked for it and it damaged me emotionally because my devices behave in unexpected and unpredictable ways.
I learned to always shutdown.
Atlas is an insecure mess, not a real solution for Windows problems. Consider a Windows alternative.
I am visiting this mess only to play Half Life alyx and some other VR games.
I am full time Linux everywhere. Even on my Chromebook which doesnt have ChromeOS anymore.
I used atlas for a while but there are a number of issues. If I want to flash reverse engineered firmware to proprietary hardware it often requires patched windows tools leaked from the manufacturer and I haven’t had that work any other way than stock windows. Capitalism with no real consumer protections has fucked us in so many ways.
This sucks heavily
This sucks heavily
This sucks heavily
I’ve never heard of AtlasOS until this comment. I read the documentation and it’s interesting that they need you to install it using a fresh Windows ISO. I wonder what they are doing that can’t be accomplished on an existing Windows installation with a bunch of Powershell scripts?
Well, it wipes things. You can do and risk it but this approach is more dynamic and free than the old approach. Distributing an ISO, which counted as illegal too.
I sign into windows
Ah, there’s your problem.
Microsoft urges me to use a different operating system
i ditched the local account along with the whole dumb operating system.
That’s the way to go
They can pry my local account from my cold dead hands
And even then good luck! For I will have glued it to my cold dead hands.
It’s been more than a year since every decision Microsoft has made has gone against the consumer. What is the target ? Sinking the company ?
Where will the average consumer go? They can do this, because they are basically a monopoly.
Hopefully in a year years Linux gets more support and becomes a viable alternative
Edit: for me it is and I’ve been using Linux for years, but some people need certain software
How about I just ditch all acounts.
In a family and SOHO setting there is an easy way around it,even without alternative media creating tools and Win11:
Active directory. Yeah. Microsoft. But not really.
Samba can be used as an AD server for ages now, it’s free,cheap and can run on a Pi or some NAS. These days it’s fairly easy to set up as long as you only use it for Identification services and basic networking. And Microsoft won’t bother you with their shit ever, as they don’t dare to push corporate clients too much.
I can recommend it very much. There are also full GUI distributions available,e.g. univention.
Man, having to setup GPO to stop a lot of stupid horseshit is definitely not consumer friendly, and I don’t wanna do it. Microsoft should just stop.
There are templates for that. And yes,of course it is bullshit that we have to do that.
But it’s less work this way compared to installing Linux and (-the worse part-) teach it to the more technologically disadvantaged relatives who used Windows for 30 years before their retirement. Or to kids who just want to use the same stuff they use at school.
I absolutely would wish that Microsoft would stop their bullshit (it wasn’t even out of the possible options for them to make AD cloud only - but a lot of government customers complained). But I wanted to show people that there is a middle ground between submitting to that fucking cloud account and ditching linux all- together.
Hey Microsoft, listen clearly…
GO
FUCK
YOURSELFWindows 12 being in the cloud may probably not be too crazy. I’m betting most people won’t care and just blindly create a microsoft account.
You mean it will be just like chromeOS or whatever that is called?
Maybe but it might have a full virtualized option where your local is just a client to stream the virtualized cloud env.
I will now urge Microsoft to suck my balls.
Don’t underestimate the power of nerds. Computer nerds influence tech purchasing decisions, both at home and on the job. The less tech savvy often ask “the computer person” what they recommend. Nerds have actually been astonishingly patient with MS, for decades. But the worse MS makes Windows, the less and less likely they’re going to go with the default, “just buy Windows” answer.
I agree. I’m the guy who picks, buys, assembles, and installs the OS and programs for like everyone around me. I enjoy doing it, they enjoy getting awesome PCs for good prices.
My next build for them will absolutely not be Microsoft. The average person can get away with an iPad running iOS for their computing needs. So it’ll be a user friendly Linux distro going forward.
A Windows update broke my wife’s install earlier this week. Her laptop has Manjaro on it now.
