No water lines visible in the picture. Those are drain pipes and this is from Finland. Water lines are run with PEX inside the walls.

This particular user is a special kind of one. Once you make the wrong noises about something they don’t like, they make it their personal mission to start digging for anything even remotely looking like dirt that they can sling your way - as they’re now demonstrating below.

There’s an argument to be made that if the system was trained on real CSAM, then using it to generate such imagery would be immoral - but otherwise I don’t think it is, and this feels like a moral panic.

CSAM is by definition evidence of a crime having happened. You can’t create it without hurting a real human being - that’s why it’s illegal. That logic doesn’t apply to simulated images or cartoons. It might be in bad taste, but nobody was hurt in the making of it, and I’m not aware of any solid evidence that viewing such content makes someone more likely to commit the real crime. Same as there’s no proven link between violent movies/games and increased real-world violence.

There’s really no limit to how far this can be taken. In the past the line was clear: was a child hurt? If yes, illegal. Now we’re effectively moving toward banning violent video games and cartoons. Tomorrow it’s stick-figure fight scenes, and soon you’re not even allowed to think about it.

Of course I’m being hyperbolic here - just trying to make a point. I don’t think “I don’t like it” is justification for banning something if it can’t be shown to cause actual harm. If solid science ever proves it increases the likelihood of offending against real humans, then yeah, that’s different. But I don’t think we have that evidence. Even most pedophiles never offend. The vast majority of people in prison for child sexual abuse are just plain old rapists with no particular fixation on kids - they’re simply easy targets.

Here’s what I’ve done in the past and will keep doing in the future. Since we’re already rebuilding everything anyway might as well just redo the entire floor.

Ofcourse, but I know better to not even bother trying to have a civil discussion about it here.

I turned my attention to the aggression and the aggression went away.

It’s impossible to stay angry at anything for longer than a few seconds unless you keep feeding that anger with the stories you’re telling yourself. You don’t have to keep telling those stories - unless you want to stay angry, of course.

Remember that smart decision you made while angry? Yeah, me neither.

I only meet hateful people online. I deal with strangers for living and the vast majority of them are super nice and unreasonably reasonable.

Mid 30s. Got here the same way as everyone else - evacuated from reddit.

No. I’m the guy people call when they need stuff fixed.

I’m way more worried about messing with things that aren’t broken. If it’s already busted, I usually don’t have to stress about making it worse - and even if I do, I just fix that too. It’s actually pretty hard to cause irreversible damage.

Pretty much all of my time is me time. I don’t do almost anything I don’t want to. I don’t even mind work because I’m self-employed and I like what I do.

Currently I’m at home drinking coffee and designing shelves for a customer’s shipping container to store jump poles used in show jumping.

Emojis are symbols I attach to messages to signal that I’m not angry at you, I didn’t mean to offend, everything is fine, I’m just joking etc. Basically they’re tools to try and avoid misunderstandings.

But who’s moralizing about it here? The mere mention of struggling with compulsive porn use - or even just noting that others do - gets immediately met with vicious hostility and completely baseless accusations. It’s totally unreasonable to dump that massive pile of imagined baggage onto someone and then treat them as if it all applies to them.

You literally cannot get some people to acknowledge that there are tens of millions of (mostly) young men who genuinely struggle with this. It’s not about thinking porn or masturbation is bad. It’s about having taken it to such an extreme that it’s actively harming their life - and many of them seek help online. Unfortunately, these toxic communities are among the very few places available for advice and peer support.

The hostility toward anyone even talking about this caught me off guard too. I would’ve thought Lemmy would be the exact opposite - a place where people opening up about personal struggles get met with compassion. Boy was I wrong.

Here’s the thread where I discovered it yesterday, though I don’t recommend reading through it. It’s quite awful.

A deep learning model can tell biological sex from retina pictures, but not even the best eye doctors can. You feed it a pile of images labeled “these are from men” and “these are from women,” and it figures out the differences and applies that knowledge to pictures it’s never seen before. As far as I know, we still don’t know what exactly it’s picking up on - or if it’s even something a human could distinguish - but for an AI it’s not a problem.

I think the term “AI” has just been a bit stained by all the people conflating it with GenAI. Yes, GenAI is AI, but the term AI covers all kinds of systems, and GenAI is just one subcategory.

A true AGI would be the ultimate labor-saving device, but the two main issues are that we have no clue how far away we are from reaching it - and we also have no guarantees that when we do, it’s going to end well for us.

It also might not be about more compute. The human brain is generally intelligent and it doesn’t need a massive datacenter to run it.

I explicitly stated in my previous response that I’m not part of that community. I’m just an individual dealing with an issue, and I have compassion for all the other individuals facing the same thing - people who are too ashamed or afraid to seek help or even tell anyone about it. Seeing the response it gets here, even from folks who probably pride themselves on being empathetic and compassionate - yeah, I don’t blame those people for staying silent.

This isn’t about supporting a community or pushing some ideology. It’s about raising awareness that real people struggle with this stuff. It’s not sexual shaming or defying God - it’s about taking back control of their own lives. As with anything, the dose makes the poison. Nobody I’ve talked to about this thinks porn or masturbation is inherently bad - they’re just the kind of person who takes it too far, to the point it starts causing real harm in their life. They don’t have an agenda. They need help, and I feel for them.

If even a single person feels seen by my comment - the one that gets downvoted into oblivion by the haters - and gets even the tiniest sliver of help or hope from it, then it was 100% worth it.

And I don’t want to take that away from anyone. I just wish it didn’t affect my own life to the extent that it has for the past 20+ years.

Not everyone struggling with compulsive porn use is part of the NoFap community.

I’m not, and I shouldn’t have to answer for the “crimes” of anyone else just because they’re dealing with a similar issue as I am. They don’t represent me, and I don’t represent them. It makes zero sense to take the views of the loud extremist minority and slap them onto the entire group. Most people who self-diagnose with the “porn addiction” label just want help sorting out their own life - they couldn’t care less what anyone else does with theirs.

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Bringing up specific examples would be counterproductive - the whole thread would just turn into a debate about those examples instead of staying on the actual point. The discussion isn’t about what the disagreement is over; it’s about what that disagreement looks like.