This movie is very poignant for the times.
People need to watch it and realize they’re the ants.
This movie has been in the top 10 on Disney+ in Canada for a few days. Wonder if this is why
Because most movies of today sneakily glorify corporations and billionaires. Maybe people wanted something different
My favorite quote from A Bug’s Life is “first rule of leadership, princess: everything is your fault!”
…and it isn’t 100:1, its around 2,000,000:1
All you had to do is follow the damn train, CJ
Holy crap I recently found this article about a bug’s life and thought it was hilarious
https://fee.org/articles/how-a-bugs-life-revealed-the-immorality-of-socialism/
It seems to be endemic in certain US circles to confuse Communism with Authoritarianism (which is what that link does). Yes. Stalin was an (evil) authoritarian, and his massacres were done under the banner of communism, but so was Hitler (and so is Drumpf) neither of whom were (are) Communists.
Why are the two things so regularly conflated by Americans ?
Thank you. I feel like people either think “Stalin was a socialist/communist and a horrible leader” or “Stalin was a socialist/communist and good, actually” instead of considering that maybe the socialist branding was just the propaganda they used to justify the dictatorship.
We have known what those guys were about since the second party congress in 1903.
It seems to be endemic in certain US circles to confuse Communism with Authoritarianism Why are the two things so regularly conflated by Americans ?
Because the American education system and lifelong propaganda peppered throughout popular culture creates this confusion intentionally. It’s like a word association game: anything not capitalism = oppression and death. This is why, in large part, why most people will describe capitalism when asked to define communism or socialism.
So this is more of a ‘how’ vs ‘why’ answer, however I’m sure you can easily arrive at the ‘why’ using the explanation I’ve given.
The only notable attempts at communism, and the ones who vehemently claim to be communists, were the USSR and the CCP, both of which were/are the most violent and oppressive regimes in modern history.
Like it or not, if more people use the term to describe something different than you then that’s what the term actually means.
Wrong and we both know it.
See this comment is funny because there are two ways to interpret this comment: There are other notable examples OR that those previous examples weren’t bloodthirsty monsters, but even if I asked subscribers of either belief which they were they would both claim the former.
Short answer: Senator Joseph McCarthy and The Red Scare.
Because American’s are stupid and don’t understand the difference between economic systems and political systems. After WW2, Russia was seen as a political threat/rival. Since Russia used a communist economic system Americans were taught that communism was bad. I can at least personally attest that I was educated to believe communism was equated with authoritarianism during the mid 1980s. This is something I didn’t come to recognize until I was in college.
Red scare.
Conditioning.
Media.Feelings of helplessness and victimization combined with low levels of education as well as black and white thinking. A lot of Americans want the “system” to not be what it is, but they’ll look to strongman types to make the world what they want rather do it for themselves, alone or collectively. Conservatives want to have their enemies either run out of the country, locked up, or shoved back into the closet so they don’t have to know it exists- they went for Trump. They’re also greedy and seem to assume that anything that benefits someone else or society was taken from them. Boomers grew up on Cold War propaganda, the idea that communism was the anti-America, so they fight hard against anything remotely social (plus add in some bigotry that socialism would benefit the folks they hate). But on the flip side, many on the left have come to idolize the authoritarian left method because it forces the change they want and that old propaganda of “communism is anti-American” has the reverse effect; it’s embraced because they’re reactionary.
It’s all more rabid each way online, the right just managed to find their figurehead around which to build a cult of personality first. The left now in-fights because it’s a three way battle between the old guard Democrats who want to go back to business as usual, the reactionaries seeking their golden goose, and the rest who don’t want to go back to what it was or rewrite the MAGA playbook but with “our guy” in charge.
Because propoganda.
Because communism has to be bad,because capitalism gas proven it doesnt have any virtues.
At some point you do have to answer the question of what do you do with the people that will inevitably try to bring the old exploitative systems back.
People are bent this way, not most, but some. What will you do with them? What will you do if they convince a lot of others the system is wrong? What will you do if enough of them collectively have a skill or stumble upon a resource the collective really needs?
Because decades of propaganda has conditioned us to do so. They couldn’t attack communism because the ideals of communism are actually great to 99% of the population, so instead they painted communism with the blood that people abusing communism shed and told us all it was the nature of the beast.
I do not know if it’s my genuine and jaded opinion or my programming as a USian, but I also have a distaste for Communism. The ideals are all that I want in the world but I can’t think of any situation where it wasn’t immediately transformed into authoritarian or destroyed from the outside. It feels half baked, so close to done but lacking the internal structure to transition from the representative system we’ve been using since gods ordained kings. Without that, bad actors will always have an easy access to power and like a cancer they are not so readily cut out when they metastasis.
Personally, I think the only way to organize more than 50 humans is to take humans out of the equation. Power will always encourage the darker impulses of man, so why let it be the option? I’d propose technocracy. None of this llm bullshit, no AI singularity, just statistics, data, and analysis processed by an open source, fully transparent, machine. We know population statistics to a fraction of a percent, how do you gerrymander if the computer can district a state to have functionally identical population distribution. A token representative body selected by the machine from each district for their abilities to maintain the machine and update it prevents cult of personality from putting the unqualified in power. Changes to regulation can be posed and voted on by text, no human hand to disqualify you for a hanging chad. Changes preferred are implemented in the best statistically possible way as long as they don’t go against the core principle in the computer. All of this could be run on the server I use to run jellyfin, most of it has been proposed to the government multiple times over the last 50 years, but why would a man release power to a thing that would destroy him?
Whatever power structure you try to create, men will try to control and corrupt it. The founding fathers thought splitting the power in 3 tri-force style would prevent it, but it’s only been delayed.
You put a cpu in charge? They will go after the cpu. You don’t allow access to the cpu? They will say it can’t be trusted. (Like they’re doing with scientists now) Or they put their own people in charge and lie about what the cpu is saying.
Whatever system you put in place, they will find a way around it. They will never stop, it’s their nature. And even if you devise the perfect system, maybe something that hasn’t been invented yet (like the internet) could bring it down.
I think the founding fathers also knew this, and it’s why the 2A exists. They just underestimated the power of decades of brainwashing and conditioning.
just statistics, data, and analysis processed by an open source, fully transparent, machine.
I think perhaps an Anarcho-communist society could adopt a Cybersyn type system, at least to help manage or distribute resources to where they are needed, which would be useful if we abolished money and instead switched to a gift economy where basic food, housing, healthcare, and transport was entitled to everyone.
If you’d like to see how a society like that may function in a very fleshed out and grounded book, I’d highly recommend checking out The Dispossessed.
The ideals are all that I want in the world but I can’t think of any situation where it wasn’t immediately transformed into authoritarian or destroyed from the outside.
Anarchist Catalonia in the 30’s avoided becoming authoritarian, but unfortunately due to the strength of the enemy (Fascist Spain being helped with tons of weapons and supplies by both Hitler and Mussolini) and the betrayal of the Stalinists (who they allied with out of necessity), it was not able to continue and spread around the world.
However, I do want to point out that it wasn’t that it was half-baked that they were defeated, but was instead due to a lack of allies to aid in logistics, along with particularly bad timing with so many fascists on the world stage willing to help each other. It was bad luck, really. Any ideology or political system under the same circumstances would’ve failed as well. They way they organized horizontally was effective, and if it is tried again under better starting conditions, there’s nothing to say it wouldn’t succeed and finally begin to spread across the globe, we just need to help it along.
Check my next comment below for a handy guide on how to rise up! (it wouldn’t fit in this one).
How to build up a movement toward a better world:
Part 1: The big picture 🖼️
The protests are good ways of meeting like-minded people in your community to form connections, as well as spreading awareness of local mutual aid groups so more can join or form ICE resistance groups who can join an encrypted chat to coordinate, alert neighbors, and talk strategy. It also is a good place for unions or union members to encourage others to unionize their workplaces, which can also ultimately work toward a national general strike, which is our most tangible and powerful collective action.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor, allowing us to directly demand real changes (such as ending the war in Iran, ceasing support for the genocide of Palestine, and Abolishing ICE).
The General Strike was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
There are some concrete steps all of us can take toward enacting that hard-core general strike to make it more viable and bearable for us all. (the titles below expand if you click them).
Part 2: Learn First Aid ⛑️
Violence is being used against those who resist and it will only continue. It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Part 3: Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
There’s also some projects you can do that help build community (and can be fun in themselves!), for more info, go here, and scroll down to the “Fun Projects to Build Community) section”
Part 4: Join a Union to help prepare for a General Strike 💪
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to make a general strike possible.
Once you are in a union you and your coworkers will need to pressure your leadership to prepare for a general strike, as well as pressure them to organize with other unions to enact a general strike. This is especially true if you are in a more traditional union that isn’t the IWW. Your local shop may need to organize directly with other unions if your union leaders are too cowardly to do so.
Most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike). A General Strike is officially planned by the UAW for May 1st 2028, but it was planned before Trump was elected, and by then will be too late, so prepare now for one that may start sooner.
You can contact the IWW with the link below:
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.
Part 5: Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We’ll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).
I’d also highly recommend Full Spectrum Resistance to anyone who wants further info on how to resist (audiobook version here).
All states are authoritarian friends. Even proletarian states. The goal is to abolish the state entirely but doing so requires seizing the authority to repress your former oppressors. In the Western imagination this is evil because the dominant ideology is that of our oppressors. We are conditioned to see the world through their lense.
Do not be afraid of authority, it is a useful tool and our aversion to it only benefits the ruling class. It makes us easier to crush. There is nothing more authoritarian than a revolution, it is the forceful assertion of one classes rule over another’s. Class society doesn’t dissapear because we say so, we need to dismantle it and a state is the perfect tool for doing so. To not build one is to remove our best defence against counter revolution. We would be failing ourselves and the world. Failed revolutions get slaughtered and I do not want to see my comrades slaughtered.
authority is nothing to fear
I cansee the argument that its a necessary harm even if i disagree, but denying that there is harm is just jumping off the side of the fucking mountain.
getting out from under-boot is the same as wearing boot, because old boot wearer’s boot cozy was stolen and a violation of desire is a violation of desire
No doubt this is how they see it, but no.
Youre much more likeable when youre doing aspirational uncontroversial ontological goods, like fucking sharks
Didn’t mean to give the impression that having authority wouldn’t be harmful. It absolutely will and people will be hurt by it, that’s what states do.
I don’t like hurting people and I personally hope I never have to do it. I don’t even like hurting fascist. It does need to be done though and we should not be afraid to do it. Fascism and capitalism deserve to be systematically oppressed until they no longer exist and doing so is best facilitated by a state. Hell, doing so typically creates a state whether you want to or not. A lot of anarchist revolutions ended up forming a limited state apparatus out of necessity. It isn’t ideal but I am not an idealist.
I will return to shark fucking now
You do good work, comrade.
“It’s not about food” yep that’s it, right there, they’d rather spend 10 times over keeping us down
If someone wants to rewatch the scene
i need to rewatch that movie reminding myself of the parallels between ants and wage workers
From the voice of a predator, yay.
Ant films are just cursed.
Who’s the predator in A Bug’s Life?
I do remember Woody Allen did Antz.
Burning down supply warehouses doesn’t stand up to corporations. It enriches different corporations while people who rely on those supplies suffer. If you want to stand up to corporations you need to unionize and enact legislative reform.
Hate the game, not the players.
Why not both? If you look to history, people died trying to unionize and fight for better working conditions. They literally sent thugs to brutalized and kill workers who just wanted better working conditions. This is what you get when people are at their wits end.
If changing the rules fixed the system, the U.S. wouldn’t be where it’s at today. It’s not so easy to change the rules when a few people own all the media and have spent multiple decades consolidating media and power buying up judges and bribing people to write the rules in their favor.
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You know what else ruins the environment…billionaires hoard all the wealth and resources, yachts, private jets, huge mansions.
This is small potatoes compared to what the psychopaths in charge are doing. And don’t even get me started on the U.S. military, the largest polluted in the entire world.
THEN DO SOMETHING TO THE BILKIONNAIRES, NOT WAREHOUSES FULL OF DAIPERS AND SOAP THAT BILLIONAIRES WOUMDNT EVEN BUY
Even burning the third party staffing agency he worked for would have been better.
Dude, you’re preaching to the choir on that one. I’m still not going to cry over a warehouse burned to the ground who were paying people poverty wages.
The warehouse doesn’t pay anybody, the warehouse holds supplies. The owners of the warehouse, who live in Texas, pay people and they’re incentivized not to change their ways because it’s still more profitable to pay low wages, as are the people who own the empty lot next. If anything the outcome of this is 1) less jobs and 2) rising prices under the guise of shortage.
You could in theory keep burning Kimberly Clark warehouses until they’re forced to liquidate the company and file bankruptcy, but at that point they will either be immediately replaced by another company perhaps worse, or you will simply make it impossible for mothers to obtain diapers for their children, which will among other repercussions have serious effects on public hygiene. Also, the boardmembers and CEO Michael Hsu are definitely walking away from it rich af.
You’re not quite understanding that all of the diapers and soap were owned by billionaires at the time it went up in smoke.
Billionaires already owned all that merchandise. They did buy it, from paper mills chemical plants and other factories. But they didn’t get to sell it.
He did do something to the billionaires.
To them it was a numeric figure on a piece of paper, to the rest of us it was necessary supplies. The owner isn’t even a billionaire, the CEO has about 12M Net Worth.
They weren’t your fucking supplies! They were owned by the fucking billionaires!
It’s a publicly traded company. It is owned by a whole shitload of people. I’m sure I hold a few shares within the mutual funds in my portfolio. If you have any sort of investment portfolio, you very probably do too. But the predominant shareholders are billionaires, not working-class investors.
The CEO is not the owner. He has some shares, sure. But the overwhelming majority of Kimberly-Clark is held by fucking billionaires.
LMAO, liberals be like “you can vote yourself into prosperity and wealth” 🤣
Hate the game, not the players.
Exactly. The game has no rules, as proven by corrupt, fascist, pedophile billionaires. So if they don’t follow the rules, why should anyone? Why are you hating on that player?
People have been following the rules like good dogs for way too long, while being raped in the ass by corporations and billionaires. Time to show them we have teeth too.
Anything goes, including burning down multi-billion dollar corporations. So that something better can rise from the ashes.
Why can’t I shake the feeling you are a wealthy cunt afraid for yourself?
Corrupt Fascist Pedophile Billionaires didn’t have to cheat to get into power, they got there because 6 Million people who voted for Biden in 2020, after 4 years of Trump rule, did not show up to vote for Harris in 2024, after years of Biden rule.
And tbats exactly what Tankies and Fascists pretending to be Anarchists want: to dissuade people from voting in their interests.
Corrupt fascist pedophile billionaires actually did and do actively cheat to get into power. Any Rothschild wields more power than Trump; and billionaires actively bribe all ‘seats’ of power to make sure your vote does not matter, period. In times where lobbying doesn’t get them enough power, or they’re bored, they just buy their way into office. This isn’t just in the US, it’s everywhere with ‘liberal western democracy.’.
Because ‘democracy’ under capitalism cannot function. It has never functioned. It will never function.[1]
Calling people ‘tankies’ and ‘fascists pretending to be anarchists’ does nothing to change these acts. And it does nothing to work towards the nearly universal goals of the working class; goals you and every ‘tankie’ you criticize share.
This whole argument hinges on the fact that things never changed when different parties come into power, which is demonstrably false.
As the current admin is a touchy subject for you people, let us take a quick, objective look back at a simpler time.
What was materially different for the average person in the George W. Bush administration vs the Barack Obama administration?
Was it worker’s rights? No, not really, both presidents gorged themselves on union busting. While the minimum wage did get raised once, technically during Obama’s term (though the legislation passed during W’s admin) neither president advocated for this; and both parties actually fought heavily against this increase at the time while only relenting as a way to offset Bill Clinton’s 2008 Financial Crisis.. Don’t get me wrong with that last quip, Republicans had plenty to do with it, but lets not forget Clinton signed it, and democrats largely stamped it.
Was it… quality of life? No, not really. If anything Obama made life worse for the average American. with wealth inequality soaring at the fastest rate in human history, not just American history, until the pandemic at least. I wonder why that period had such a high jump.
Was it… immigrants rights? No. Obama was the deporter-in-chief, even under the best interpretations, whose numbers have yet to be matched and had only one significant rival in world history. Oh but DACA was good right? Oh wait wrong link, sorry. Don’t get me wrong Trump is harsher in this regard… in that white people can now be victims. Nothing Trump has done is new.
How about foreign policy? … Nope. We know the answer to that. Don’t even need links do we. Obama’s legacy of violence showed the world the US does not avoid civilian deaths, in fact we explicitly, wantonly target civilians. Many in the world knew this already, after all exporting violence is what the US is known for outside the west, but Obama made it clear that George W Bush was not a fluke. Republicans were not the source of violence. It was the US itself that was violent.
Gas prices were lower. Sometimes. Under Obama. And food was cheaper. Under Bush. Same amount of insider trading regardless, same corrupt cabinets, same donors to both presidential campaigns, practically the same appointees…
It really does go on. But I’m bored and you probably have other replies expanding on this by now.
As it is a response to the unarguable fact I posted before, I’m not even gonna bother to read this, peace out.
Hate the game, not the players.
“The game” is rich people brutalizing humanity to squeeze an extra dollar. The game wouldn’t exist without the players.
The game is logistics which provide necessary supplies to millions of people. Key players are squeezing extra dollars because morons would rather burn down a building than talk with their peers about doing something to change the rules.
While i agree with you that things should be solved by civilized means, in enviroment where workers have no rights, union busting is normal and politicians dont get changes made, what else there is to do?
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I can hate both the game for having shitty rules, and for the players that are exploiting the shitty rules when it would be so easy to just play respectfully by acknowledging that the gaps in rules cause problems with the structure of the entire game and I should more equally distribute my resources if I don’t want anyone of the other players to start flipping the board over.
when it would be so easy to just play respectfully by acknowledging that the gaps in rules cause problems with the structure of the entire game and I should more equally distribute my resources if I don’t want anyone of the other players to start flipping the board over.
The unwritten rule of the game is that the guy who plays fair loses to the one who gets away with cheating. An individual has only so much control over their actions.
Just get a bunch of players together to all agree that cheaters lose their rights to play.
Exactly! And when the cheaters do everything they can to make even that impossible, it makes sense that one of those players would also break the rules to start burning the cheaters houses down.
If this were his house I wouldn’t be berating people for celebrating it, but it’s actually a warehouse full of diapers and toiletries.
Human nature doesn’t allow an idealist fair society without any rule enforcement. We have to collectively make them, and a bunch of arson is not going to accomplish that because we’re always going to want warehouses an we’re always going to want bathroom supplies.
The rich won’t stop killing us if we ask them nicely. All progress has involved threatening the lives or property of the powerful.
No progress has involved that. Ever. All progress has come from legislative reform.
Ah yes, legislative reform that emerges from nothing but the powerful suddenly deciding to be nicer.
In an autocracy like China that would be true, but in the western world they mostly practice Democracy.
On the assumption that lobbying, bribing, gerrymandering, institutionele capture, legal capture and the general disfunction of first past the post systems don’t get in the way.
Civil War?
The US Civil War? TF?
The US Civil War was about the Confederate states attempting to leave the union in order to own black people as slaves.
First of all, thats not what fucking progress looks like. Secondly, the outcome was the violence of the southern state failing to have any lastinf effect towards their ideals.
the french revolution was famously not about porcefully taking power from those in power
The French Revolution was decades of bloodshed which nearly fell into autocracy again, there are countless violent revolutions which have failed in the same vein.
Hmm.
French revolution started because bread was expensive.
The Arab spring started because people got mad how one market stall keepper got treated.
Russian revolution if 1905 started when one factory was closed.
Boston tea party happened because of taxation.
Legistlations came months or even years after any of these revolutions
It’s really telling that you think the rise of the USSR was a fitting example on your list, you Tankie scum.
Haha you funny angry man.
If you really try to look. I mean really really put all your mental capacity to work, you can see that there was three. Yes. Three other examples in the list.
The most clever people among us also notices how they all were from different sides of the world and from different cultures.
Oh my. Could it be?! Could it be that, you only see what you want to see and compartmentalize any opinion that differ from your view to nice and cozy, easy to digest boxes? Have you ever tought that you might do that on other parts of your life too?
More progress came from the blade of a guillotine than has ever come from legislative reform.
Lol, you think the French Constitution magically drafted itself? That the guillotine got up and walked over to start writing the new rules like a fucked uo Frosty the snowman?
The French aristocracy had no need for a new constitution until they started getting slaughtered wholesale. Without the guillotine, there was no pressing need for “the new rules”. Quite the contrary, “the new rules” were overtly harmful to their aristocratic lifestyle. They accepted “the new rules” because the alternative was worse.
Someone has never heard of the Ludlow Massacre, I see.
The United Mine Workers of America finally ran out of money, and called off the strike on December 10, 1914. In the end, the strikers’ demands were not met, the union did not obtain recognition, and many striking workers were replaced. 408 strikers were arrested, 332 of whom were indicted for murder.
Obviously neither have you.
Maybe you should keep reading: https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/ludlow-massacre-spurred-new-deal-labor-reforms/
My whole point that you missed entirely is that legislative reform is often the result of some kind of violence happening.
Human society doesn’t exist where humans are priced out of society.
When your bathroom supply warehouse refuses to meet the societal needs of the people you hire to run it, your warehouse is a clear and present danger to the very concept of “society”.
Your exploitative warehouse is able to underbid responsible competitors, drive them out of business. To remain in business against you, they also have to adopt exploitative practices, and put pressure on other warehouses to do the same.
The solution to this downward spiral is surprisingly simple: remove your undue influence from the labor market, and circumstances improve for both your responsible competitors and society. Government can do that better, but arson will work in a pinch.
Heres an idea:
Instead of burning necessary supplies,
Find a better fucking target.
It’s like I’m explaining to edgy teens that its better to talk to a girl than slit their wrists because they’re sad she never notices them.
Here an idea:
Instead of throwing tea in the sea,
Find a better fucking target.
- Somebody in Boston, 1773.
If people are going to resort to illegal methods of effecting needed change, warehouses are among the best targets available. Much lower risk of causing injuries or deaths than commercial or manufacturing sectors. Relatively few workers on site means the economic harm falls predominantly on the targeted owner class, with little spillover on the working class.
My imagination is rather poor; what would you suggest would be a better target?
This might be illegal, but it is NOT a method of effecting needed change. I’m not promoting Arson at all over organizing unions and promoting progressive reform, but if you’re going to burn something down at least target their financials and personal properties.
He did target their financials. He targeted the source of their wealth.
