The idea is that giving the ultimatum, regardless of whether the US obliges or not, would cause massive shift in power. They’d be hoping any changes in leadership would be better aligned with them.
Files released -> Traffickers imprisoned -> New sane leaders sworn in
Files withheld -> Greater discontent -> Elections swing harder left -> Dem majorities force war to end
But Iran does need to negotiate. They are being bombed quite a lot right now. Iran is not going to surrender, but they would prefer not to get bombed. Antagonizing Trump is not going to help Iran.
Negotiating with Trump is like negotiating with Putin. It’s a pointless theatre that Trump is would do for the benefit of spectators, but with no actual value for Iran because you absolutely cannot believe anything Trump says.
They don’t need to negotiate, they needed to be left the fuck alone in the first place, but Trump, like daddy Putin, is incapable of rational thoughts anymore.
Looks like the special operation is gonna last at least until next election, at this rate.
This shooting war is going to end some way, eventually. And the ending is going to be some form of diplomacy, implicit or explicit. Even just agreeing to pretend each other don’t exist is a form of diplomacy.
The only case where Iran should not care about pissing off Trump, was if the US was totally annihilated. Trump is a madman with a nuclear suitcase.
I think the thinking is that if you released the epstein files in their entirety Trump would be impeached.
Or maybe that’s not really it. If you wanted to harm the US, then releasing the full unredacted epstein files is probably the easiest way to achieve maximum chaos.
Because the whole world’s leaders are in there, including a shit ton of bank execs. Trump will stop bombing before he lets the files get out. It truly is a solid plan.
Okay sure, having and releasing the Epstein files can be adventagious for Iran. But what I don’t see is how demanding the files would ever lead to peace. Wouldn’t it only incite Trump and co. instead of getting to a reasonable negotiating position?
Because Trump was above Epstein in the operation and Israel controlled both of them. Plus all the stuff about Netanyahu sleeping with Jared Kushner. The main players in the Epstein files are literally the ones currently trying to massacre their entire country.
Presumably if the couchfucker became prez he’d be slightly less likely to be Bibi’s lickspittle because he has at least a couple more brain cells to rub together.
I’ve been seing stuff like this a lot lately, but it seems detached from reality to me. How does Iran benefit from the Epstein files?
Because Trump is 100% willing to start a war so people stop talking about it. So he’ll have to start another war somewhere else…
The idea is that giving the ultimatum, regardless of whether the US obliges or not, would cause massive shift in power. They’d be hoping any changes in leadership would be better aligned with them.
Files released -> Traffickers imprisoned -> New sane leaders sworn in
Files withheld -> Greater discontent -> Elections swing harder left -> Dem majorities force war to end
UNO reverse your regime change war goal
The reasoning would be: You’re right. They don’t care. But he will never voluntarily release them and it results in maximum embarrassment.
It wouldn’t be a sincere negotiating tactic but it works because they don’t need to negotiate.
This. Imagine a condition for terms of surrender is to unredact and release all files. And the Trump administration openly says “no” to that?
That would be a TERRIBLE admission by the administration
But Iran does need to negotiate. They are being bombed quite a lot right now. Iran is not going to surrender, but they would prefer not to get bombed. Antagonizing Trump is not going to help Iran.
Negotiating with Trump is like negotiating with Putin. It’s a pointless theatre that Trump is would do for the benefit of spectators, but with no actual value for Iran because you absolutely cannot believe anything Trump says.
They don’t need to negotiate, they needed to be left the fuck alone in the first place, but Trump, like daddy Putin, is incapable of rational thoughts anymore.
Looks like the special operation is gonna last at least until next election, at this rate.
This shooting war is going to end some way, eventually. And the ending is going to be some form of diplomacy, implicit or explicit. Even just agreeing to pretend each other don’t exist is a form of diplomacy.
The only case where Iran should not care about pissing off Trump, was if the US was totally annihilated. Trump is a madman with a nuclear suitcase.
I think the thinking is that if you released the epstein files in their entirety Trump would be impeached.
Or maybe that’s not really it. If you wanted to harm the US, then releasing the full unredacted epstein files is probably the easiest way to achieve maximum chaos.
It’s a typical American problem centre of the universe and all that.
What are you talking about? This is a war the US started, so of course they’d be the center of discussions on how to stop it.
If trump actually started the war to distract from the files, then Iran using it as leverage is a sensible thing to do.
Because the whole world’s leaders are in there, including a shit ton of bank execs. Trump will stop bombing before he lets the files get out. It truly is a solid plan.
Okay sure, having and releasing the Epstein files can be adventagious for Iran. But what I don’t see is how demanding the files would ever lead to peace. Wouldn’t it only incite Trump and co. instead of getting to a reasonable negotiating position?
It would lead to peace by decapitating the enemy.
Do you actually believe this?
Because Trump was above Epstein in the operation and Israel controlled both of them. Plus all the stuff about Netanyahu sleeping with Jared Kushner. The main players in the Epstein files are literally the ones currently trying to massacre their entire country.
I have no idea if the Kushner/Netanyahu thing is true, but have an upvote because it’s funny.
Presumably if the couchfucker became prez he’d be slightly less likely to be Bibi’s lickspittle because he has at least a couple more brain cells to rub together.
Vance is just a vessel, what does Thiel want? Feels like that guy would be all over war in the middle east and kicking off a biblical prophecy.
Yea, For me it has “this is how Bernie can still win”-vibes.