Sustainable smartphone takes a step forward with modular accessories, a good screen and mid-range performance
  • ohellidk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    34·
    1 个月前

    I’m posting with one. I like it so far. waiting for the official lineageOS to be released, I’m running unofficial now.

      • 20dogs@feddit.ukEnglish
        2315·
        1 个月前

        I don’t really see why it’s such a dealbreaker for so many. Hardly any phones have 3.5mm, and for those that don’t, you can just put a dongle on the end of your existing wired headphones.

        • timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          381·
          1 个月前

          Because it’s ubiquitous, allows headphones without needing charged, and allows movement around the jack as opposed to the USB c port.

          It’s a great design and the best part is that if it’s included it doesn’t preclude anyone from using Bluetooth headphones if they so choose.

          • idlesheep@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            1314·
            1 个月前

            I understand why some people have use for the 3.5 mm jack, what I don’t understand is why in the world you would ever let that be the one thing that stops you from choosing an otherwise great phone.

            You are artificially limiting your choice to an extreme degree over a feature that only a microscopic minority of people care about, and one that you can easily get over by either using a dongle or usb-c headphones.

            The only thing you can’t do is charge the device while using said headphones (unless they have wireless charging but let’s assume they don’t), but even then phones charge so fast to 50% these days that I never found this to be an actual problem. Unless you’re listening to music non-stop for like 10 hours straight, but that seems unlikely.

            It just feels so absurd to me that people hammer on and on about how this is an insurmountable deal breaker. I happily use my wired IEMs with my Pixel phone every day and never once have I felt like I’m losing out on anything.

            • HerrVorragend@lemmy.worldEnglish
              242·
              1 个月前

              To me, not buying a phone without a 3.5mm is the way I get my voice heard. I am voting with my wallet against taking away features.

              I do not care that I am a minority, and that most people are happy to use Bluetooth.

              I have very good headphones and I do not want to think about charging them and I do not want to fiddle with dongles that I have to pay for either.

              No 3.5, no buy. Period.

              • idlesheep@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                410·
                30 天前

                I guess you do you. But it just sounds like you’re yelling at clouds to me when you could just have gotten over this by now. I’ve been using wired headphones with my usb-c port for years with no problem (phone about to hit 4 years, same dongle I’ve had for like 6 years, daily listening).

                I cannot imagine hampering my phone choices to this degree (basically excluding like 90% of phones) just for a statement that will make no difference since the majority of people don’t even use wired headphones (so I’m a minority there since I do use wired, I’ve just learned that using a dongle is totally fine).

            • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              10·
              30 天前
              1. using a cumbersome dongle introduces a single point of failure for a port which is required to stay us able for your phone to function
              2. using a dongle introduces a single point of failure for your ability to listen to things, so you’d better hope you only have one pair of headphones, or that you never misplace tiny wires.
              3. using a dongle is an additional cost to purchasing the phone
              4. it’s a matter of principle, as it is a symptom of the continuing enshittification of all modern life.
              5. using wireless headphones depletes two batteries at once.
              6. Sure, don’t like a 3.5mm jack, despite the backwards compatibility with older headphones? Fine, but there is no good reason I can think of for there not to just be a second USB port down there. Additional data ports are good, and allow the device to be used for even more flexible, niche purposes, beyond being a redundancy against a single point of failure.
                • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  21·
                  30 天前

                  Saying “not only should you have to buy a peripheral, but you should plan to have to replace the port every once in a while, just so you can have basic functionality” is just clearly not an optimal solution. As someone who has seen how >80% of the dongles you buy just fail to function, constantly destroy the ports they’re plugged into, and sometimes just physically self-destruct when you stare at them from the wrong angle like some collapsing wave-function, I think I’ll keep arguing for the added flexibility, redundancy and ease of use without additional peripherals which a second port would provide, with virtually no downside.

              • idlesheep@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                13·
                29 天前

                What you say is valid in theory, but in practice I have really not seen it pan out. In the end I still cannot fathom rejecting 90% of phone on the market, hampering everything I want from a phone, just to make an empty statement about a port almost nobody uses.

                I’ve had my current phone for almost 4 years, I have wired headphones (so I’m already a minority), I have only had 1 dongle which I use everyday with it, and everything is completely fine and shows no signs of changing. The phone’s battery is so much more likely to die before the usb port ever does.

                It just seems like an issue that has been clearly solved and I see no reason to ruin all your phone choices over it.

                • Honytawk@feddit.nlEnglish
                  2·
                  29 天前

                  Dude. The people rejecting 90% of the phone market aren’t doing it to make a statement. They are the people using the damn port. Every single one of them.

                  They wouldn’t be complaining if they didn’t use it themselves.

            • highduc@lemmy.mlEnglish
              1·
              29 天前

              I do have a lot of headsets but no phone to use them with, but what bothers me most about Fairphone in particular is the hypocrisy.

              They are all sustainable and “fair” and all that jazz, but just like all the corpos they removed the jack to sell their wireless buds…

          • SmokedBillionaire@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            15·
            1 个月前

            Exactly this. All of those adapters from USB-c to 3.5 are ass no matter how many people try to say to just use them.

            Give me a thicker, heavier phone if you have to, just give me the damn headphone jack.

          • 20dogs@feddit.ukEnglish
            4·
            1 个月前

            Have you tried cleaning the plug? I find this happens a lot with debris etc.

        • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          16·
          30 天前

          Hardly any phones have 3.5mm NOW. Google started this shit, and I do not forgive. I do not forget.

          However, there is simply no reason why the manufacturers SHOULDN’T put a second USB port down there, since it would allow for dongle-less use of wired headphones, listening while charging, open up many more niche uses for the hardware, AND it would provide a redundancy for what is, in most cases, the only method of charging and accessing the data on the device

            • wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              21·
              29 天前

              Fair enough. I literally do not even mentally consider apple to be a smartphone producer, because the market for apple is “I want a brick that is a slightly smaller status symbol than the last $1000+ brick I paid you for”, while android was a market with competition, open-source development, and hardware selection. When apple removed the headphone jack for a proprietary port, I saw it as just more of apple requiring you to pay $100 for another proprietary cord that would fall apart in 3 months. I remember when google decided to remove the headphone jack, and at that point, I knew that everyone else would follow. that is what I do not forgive. It also happened to occur around the point at which I first read cloud atlas and snow crash, and began to clearly perceive what was coming for our world, so that is one of the primary acts I remember as defining the enshittification of the world of personal computing, as the true death knell of backwards compatibility and flexibility, in favour of a smartphone just being a Propaganda Brick™

        • Honytawk@feddit.nlEnglish
          5·
          29 天前

          A USB-C dongle requires you to first insert the dongle and then insert the headphones. Otherwise, the phone doesn’t register them.

          It is a dealbreaker for me because I hate having to worry about batteries everywhere. I had some in my helmet, and the thing kept interrupting my music because it had to tell me the batteries were low. The entire trip, every damn minute.

          Fuck that shit, I already have a battery, it is right in my phone.

          And I am not going to spend more than 20€ on headphones either when you can get wired literally for free.

        • TurboWafflz@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          29 天前

          USB C headphones are not a solution unless the device has at least two USB C ports but they can’t be bothered to do that either. Bluetooth headphones have to be charged, are more expensive, and are more fragile so they are also not a solution.

        • rmuk@feddit.ukEnglish
          85·
          1 个月前

          Yeah, I think we’re past that point now. I know the Clicks Communicator has a 3.5mm jack but I really don’t see why. If anyone is thinking about fitting an extra port on their phone I’d sooner see a second USB-C jack.

      • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        25 天前

        I just got my ancient iPod classic out. Works perfectly, has jack, no tracking, no stupid ads, just my music whenever the fuck I want. I never thought it would be such a treasure in 2026.

    • Aganim@lemmy.worldEnglish
      32·
      29 天前

      If only… I considered the Fairphone 6, but the missing jack port was a deal-breaker for me. Went with a midrange Motorola instead.

  • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.netEnglish
    197·
    29 天前

    Phone makers need to understand that a missing headphone jack is a dealbreaker.

    Tho it wouldn’t be if companies would at least put two usb ports on the devices. I’d be fine using usb wired earbuds as long as I don’t have to give my phone one of those dumb splitter tails.

    • 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.itEnglish
      3·
      28 天前

      Even though the reasons for ditching the headphone jack were specious I’d rather have a USB Type C port with video output capabilities

      • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        28 天前

        Yeah idgaf about headphones ports anymore, USB headphones have gotten me spoiled. But a second USB port would be awesome

    • Fish [Indiana]@midwest.socialEnglish
      97·
      29 天前

      I disagree. Cables are annoying, especially with something I have to wear on my head. My last headset broke after the cable kept getting tangled. And it wasn’t made to be repairable.

      Though a second USB port would be fantastic

      • zarkony@lemmy.zipEnglish
        17·
        29 天前

        Well good news, you can still do bluetooth on a phone that has a headphone jack.

        And it wasn’t made to be repairable.

        And wireless earbuds are? How many earbud batteries crap out after less than a year? I really don’t think jamming tiny lithium batteries into everything is the more sustainable option here.

    • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      31·
      29 天前

      I would say it’s a pretty big annoyance but not a deal breaker to me. USB-C to 3.5 dongles are cheap and not that annoying if you get a flexible one

      • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.netEnglish
        9·
        29 天前

        It makes no sense to say it’s for a very small segment when we weren’t given the choice in the first place.

        • sixty@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          36·
          29 天前

          … what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense. If you were to ask all smart phone users about the jack, most people wouldn’t care much, ergo: only a small segment cares.

          That doesn’t change just because of how the jack was phased out.

          That’s just how things evolve

      • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.netEnglish
        203·
        29 天前

        No, bluetooth is not great. Just because you don’t use something doesn’t mean other people are like you.

      • Profligate_Parasite@lemmy.todayEnglish
        122·
        29 天前

        Bluetooth is SO FAR FROM GREAT. it is, in fact, terrible.

        Wont connect to the right’profile’ Connects to wrong device, Misprioritizes devices, Confuses which audio sink you want Will not reliably remember preferences and settings. Connects as telephone whether you want it to or not. Connects automatically w/out asking making you fiddle with settings every time. Requires menus/screens and setting shit just to function…as opposed to, say ‘just plug it in’ Broadcasts an easily exploitable signal to everyo e nearby Constantly needs battery/charge Has to ‘talk’ to you to function Very little if any standardization for pairing/trusting across MFG companies… i mean stop me anytime to let me know how flippi g “great” it is. We traded dead simple, reliable, universal tech for this deeply flawed, frustrating garbage just so we could say “look, no cables!!”

  • vga@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    123·
    30 天前

    I feel like I should start looking at shoulder holsters or other extremely cool accessories when phones are this big. How do you guys carry this shit? Cargo pants?

  • dudesss@lemmy.caEnglish
    7·
    29 天前

    I would legit pay Fairphone extra at this stage if they would ship to Canada, either at my home or at a pickup location like Staples, Canada Post, or Purolator.

    • wampus@lemmy.caEnglish
      5·
      29 天前

      Agreed. I’m honestly a bit surprised they haven’t moved into the Canadian market. Heck, I heard that their international insurance ppl let you buy them in the USA, home of Google Fascists, but you still can’t buy them in Canada, a country that’s had a significant trend to decouple from US tech for over a year now.

  • borQue@lemmy.zipEnglish
    2·
    28 天前

    I’m very happy to see that there are fair alternatives to monsters like Google and Apple

  • 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    2·
    28 天前

    I’d love to pay up for a better camera module. I don’t want to miss great shots due to a bad camera. Moments with small kids are too precious. Ob the performance front I’m pretty sure I’m past needing flagship level chips

  • Hossenfeffer@feddit.ukEnglish
    1·
    28 天前

    Ok, I’m new to looking at replacing my phone with something that doesn’t run Google or Apple.

    Is there an OS I can use which is a. FOSS, b. European, and c. runs banking apps. Because I basically don’t take a wallet anywhere anymore, just my phone. Sure, there are occassions when I take a slimline wallet with a couple of cards, but quite often if I’m making a significant puchase I need my phone to TFA it.

    I don’t care about cameras or headphone jacks that much. I do care about being able to buy shit.