I’m pretty sure that’s a reference to the midterm elections in November 2026
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I’ve just read the letter. Please, let’s not spread misinformation, things are bad enough as is.
The letter demanded the voter database, among a couple of other sensitive databases. It never said ICE would leave if they comply. It only promised that peace would return to the streets, whatever the hell that means. I highly doubt they mean withdrawing ICE, especially considering they keep painting them as completely peaceful, and considering they demand a shit ton of cooperation in that letter as well, essentially letting ICE in everywhere. So in fact, it’s almost the opposite - they demanded that and also demanded more access for ICE.
They still want to fuck with voting though, which is the gist of the post.
Walz should get a chat box to make up a random list of imaginary voters, print it on a few reams of paper at 5pt type and see if they really leave.
I really appreciate it when people want to set the record straight like this, and you’re right, the truth is probably worse than this post. But it’s not as sensational so people will gravitate to the bullshit tweet instead. Which is the same phenomenon which gave us trump to begin with. 🤦♂️
Thank you for cutting through the rhetoric and making sure things are clear. I would also like to add that there are no parts in the letter saying that ICE will change their operation tactics and procedurdes (e.g. executions).
Thank you for the clarification and suggestion, but this does not constitute misinformation, as I see it. The Orange Turd’s camp are characteristically incoherent. You interpret Bondi’s incoherence in a different but valid way. What they are communicating they will do if given the voter database is less important than their interest in forcibly obtaining the voter and other databases - and the linkage of this interest with ICE’s presence in MN. Please let me know if I’m off the mark here; if this is misinformation and should be removed
I would agree with you. Having an active hand in the next voting process sounds like an easy way to disrupt an election. Not a guarantee, but possible. I think people here should be able to think for themselves a little bit.
I definitely think your post is misinformation. What the commenter told you is quite different from what you reposted. Bondi made demands but no promises. It’s probably actually worse than what you posted, but accuracy matters.
Thank you for your comment. I think your standard of accuracy for defining “misinformation” in this context (lemmy.ca/boycottus) is too high and would discourage people from posting or participating in this community. If I saw more comments or votes in support of your position, I’d delete the post
…you could easily point out the actual truth in the post body. And my position is relatively popular if you look at the thread.
68 upvotes on the original comment calling this out, alone.
Also what is this idea that facts matter less in specific communities?
…you could easily point out the actual truth in the post body.
Please draft this
Alright dude I just reported the post since you are incorrigible.
What??? incorrigible? I extended a good-willed offer for you to supply the change that you were requesting, and in response you report me to the moderators?
(Edit: You’ve wasted a good amount of mine - and now the mods’ - time I’m using the block button for what it’s for)
You’re right. I’d bet what they mean to say is that peace would return to the streets because they’d get rid of all dissenters.
I think ots a fumbled / heavy handed attempt to portray Waltz as promoting violence.
In the same way that Ukraine could and the Russia conflict by capitulating.
OP doesn’t care that they’ve posted false information. They all but told me so.
I hope there’s a world where thos matters and they all eat shit and face consequences.
Like, this should be cut and dry.
Oh, and also Trump’s latest comments on tariffs on Canada follow the same pattern, first it was"fentenyl", now they’ve dropped the veneer forgetting that national security arguments were the only argument they had to justify things.
To me that says they’re either wildly overconfident or know they’ve got the supreme court by the balls.
I think fascists see violating boundaries, hypocrisy, and telling lies as signs of power - ie, things to aspire to in their twisted minds. That’s dangerous, and not how non-fascists think.
Mainstream traditional and social media have devolved to simply publishing verbatim what the fascists say without offering any kind of context or evaluation of, say, the truthfulness of the statement-now-headline.
I agree with you all around otherwise. I just don’t think this behaviour rests on overconfidence or an appraisal of riskiness via the SC. I think it’s psychologically must deeper, and recognizing this will help us deal with them better
I think fascists see violating boundaries, hypocrisy, and telling lies as signs of power - ie, things to aspire to in their twisted minds. That’s dangerous, and not how non-fascists think.
But it nicely fits an adjacent conservative mindset: “We need laws to keep bad guys (others) from doing bad things, not to prevent good guys (us) from doing good things.”
It’s not that they view them as arbitrary signs of power to aspire to, it’s that those things really do work well to manipulate others into doing what you want. Detaching a victim from reality - making them instead blindly believe what you say - turns them into a very useful tool. Usually people have a conscious and don’t want to manipulate others to get ahead, but there will always be some who simply don’t care, and they end up being the ones to amass more power and influence than their peers as a result.
I think it’s even more than just they see them as signs of power. I think continuously ramping things up is power. If the last thing wasn’t enough to stop them, what’s one more step? This continues ad infinitum. They keep ratcheting up, and there’s nothing to bring it back down.
In case this hasn’t hit home for anyone yet.
The United States has a fascist government currently attempting to end our democracy.
That is happening. Now. Here.
And every conservative you know is onboard with it because they voted for it and haven’t spoken out against it.
excuse for ‘insurrection act’ miller’s final solution to send military against the unbelievers. cancel election and install the 4th Reich. bomb berlin. already half torn down for ballroom since january 6 tried to burn the Reichstag;;
someone reads wwii novels and admires nazis. suicidal tendencies. pedo capital is mar-largo
Why the hell is this written in the cadence of a fucking Q drop?
thanks for the cadence compliment. wth is a qdrop. was listening to music okay
It wasn’t a compliment…
“Q drops” were 8chan posts made by “Qanon” an alleged mole in the US government which was the source of the Qanon conspiracy theory, which purported that the Democratic Party was a involved in a giant anti-Semitic conspiracy to kidnap children and harvest their blood via torture.
Qdrops have the same staccato, fragmented cadence of vaguely related ideas, that you posted.
oh yeah. brain damage. if that helps. i know some bible verses. never read that crap. profile is public
used to write complete sentences with proper caps and punctuation. coordination and balance gone. typing broke. was a programmer for about 20 years. coworker wrote emails staccato like that only extreme. annoying as hell. another story… me too
Dictionary definition of terrorism:
(Noun) the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives.
If they want voter information don’t they just ask Microsoft? Or Facebook? Or Google/Amazon/Apple? Pretty sure any one of them are more than capable of supplying far more detailed information than a state government.
Pretty sure they don’t have everything. And even if they did, what they probably want more than anything is submission. If they can get a state to hand over that kind of highly sensitive information they are sending a signal they can coerce anyone to do anything.
Of course it’s not about immigration. If it were about immigration, they’d be in Texas and Florida. You know, states with large numbers of immigrants. Minnesota has a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants as those states, and it’s physically large. Very inefficient use of person-power for actually doing their stated job.
State should send along the voter rolls.
Printed on paper and with first names, last initial, the ward/district they live in and no party affiliation and a few randomly generated code numbers to just fuck things up in the database… or better yet, send the paper lists with the names redacted with sharpie markers, and leave the party affiliations. use old school printouts that are photocopied (and send those) so no one can hold the paper up to the light to see what’s under the redactions…
Deflect and use Trump’s own words about the Epsteinn files to justify “…following in President Trump’s bold leadership style…”
Time to out Trump the decrepit old fucker.
and a few randomly generated code numbers to just fuck things up in the database
Little Bobby Tables, we call him.
Malicious compliance
They never said they wanted their current database.
Oooooo! Bold move sending historic data… I like it!
Minnesota ain’t no fucking swing state. We’ve voted Blue in the presidential election longer than any other state.
Don’t worry they have 10 more months to fix that
You’re right, but Trump thinks he won it in all 3 of his elections. He thinks it would have “swung” toward him if it weren’t for the Democrats letting “illegals” vote. I can almost guarantee you that’s part of why he is targeting Minnesota.
Well I’m sure he’s asking for this documentation in good faith. It’s not like he’s famously asked for paperwork, received it while literally everyone was watching, and then denied its authenticity. /s
Oh absolutely fellow patriot. There’s also no way that they’re on a fishing expedition for exactly where to deploy their
Secret PoliceBrave Federal Law Enforcement to maximize impact on Democratic turnout in the upcoming midterms. That would be silly.As we all know it’s Democrats, not Republicans that commit all of the Electoral Fraud so of course it only makes sense to deploy troops to areas with a lot of Democrats registered… To prevent the fraud, you see. Gotta protect the integrity* of our elections after all. /s xD
*Republican Majority
I wonder what the “States Rights” crowd has to say about this…
We have to stop engaging them like ANY of their arguments were ever genuine. These hypocritical fuckers will say anything, then say the exact opposite, because they never meant any of it in the first place.
The psychopaths say whatever they think will get their opposition to behave in the way they want. That’s it.
Same thing as the 2A crowd: crickets
The 2A amendment folks only care about gun rights because they’re afraid of black people. That’s literally their whole motivation.
They can’t answer they’re out in Minnesota assassinating citizens
Swing state?
Minnesota hasn’t went for a Republican presidential candidate since 1972.
Minnesota is factually the bluest state in the US
These guys seriously think they are every winning an election Minnesota again? I guess they are betting that they can finish off democracy in it’s entirety in the next three years
As a non American I have to ask: What the hell is a voter database? :o
Aussie here, it sounds similar to our Electoral Roll.
You show up, they tick your name off (we have compulsory voting), give you the ballots and you vote anonymously and / or draw penises, drop it in the box, waltz off in search of sausages.
Basically, but replace it’s compulsory with “you have to choose to register and certain things like felonies can take away your eligibility”
European here, i think that is how it works in most democratic countries but not how it works in the usa. You have to register to vote there and afaik you don’t register at the government but at the party you want to vote for. But i could be wrong. I want to be wrong.
You register with the election commission (the government) but in order to vote in party primaries, you have to register as their party. You’re free to register as an independent.
You either register with the Post Office(USPS) or with your city’s/county’s/state’s government. For California you can see the registration form and options here(just click register and say yes and you’ll see the form with options): https://registertovote.ca.gov/
You register to vote and, depending on state/county, you choose what party you belong to(Republican, Democrat, No Party, Green Party, etc.). You may need to register with a specific political party because of open vs. closed primaries where you MUST be a registered Republican to vote in the Republican primary and/or register Democrat to vote in the Democrat primary, etc.
California has a good website/page with more details: https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/political-parties/no-party-preference/
Again, different states have different ways of doing things.
Registration streamlines voting in that you don’t need to bring ID, proof of eligibility, and residency to the polling place. You just show up and they check your signature.
Party declaration determines what party’s primary you can vote it. It’s to prevent people from casting spoiler votes to help a weak opposition candidate win their primary. Not all states do this: some ask which ballot you want at the polling place.
But…they still have to check that it’s you who is showing up, so you still need an ID with photo or not?
You don’t need ID – they just ask you your name/address, check they have you registered, and check your signature against the one you gave when you registered to vote. If you’re not registered you do need ID and proof of residence.
The current system gives you time to gather the required documents and recourse if the local government rejects it. It limits the ability of the people at the polling to turn you away.
It starts to make more sense when you consider all most people have are state issued IDs, combined with our political history of disenfranchisement – particularly in the Jim Crow era.
Why are state issued IDs a problem?
I don’t see a problem with getting a notification per mail some weeks before an election, which I then bring to the voting boot together with my ID where they check it with their list.
Imagine you’re black living in some small town in Alabama in the 60s.
You go to vote and present your ID. The guy running the polling place takes it, looks at it, and hands it off to another “good old boy” who takes it to a back room – presumably to destroy it. The first guy turns to you and says “You need to present your ID to vote.” Indignant, you turn and see the Sheriff … who you know is also a high ranking member of the local KKK chapter.
You have no recourse. Even if you can prove you possess a valid ID you can’t prove in court that you brought it with you that day, and multiple “witnesses” will say you didn’t.
That is a real thing that frequently happened. The current system takes that weapon away from the corrupt local governments and institutions. The most important thing it gives someone is time to seek recourse before voting day arrives: particularly a courts. And if the lower courts are corrupt the person being disenfranchised can appeal to a higher one.
A court can determine you’re eligible and order a local government to let you vote … and anyone that violates that order is going to have a very bad time. Sheriff Dipshit knows what he can get away with, and disobeying a federal court’s order isn’t one of them.
A list of people eligible to vote in an election
Most countries call that “all citizens over 18”. I know I could go to Wikipedia for this, but can someone from the US please explain me how voting actually works over there?
Those convicted of certain felonies, those diagnosed with certain mental disabilities, non-citizens (such as those with only permanent resident status) and residents of non-incorporated territories (such as Guam and Puerto Rico) cannot vote in federal elections and individual states (and territories) have different potential exclusion criteria.
You have to register yourself to vote, it’s not automatic. Some people never register, others are removed from the the registry due to crimes or other things a state might have decided to disqualify someone from voting, though usually that’s just a flimsy pretense because the Republicans have a long stories history of just purging minorities/Democrat voters from lists because that will help them win
I mean first of all they want a list so they know you are in fact a citizen over 18 and also that you haven’t already voted.
Also the database includes logistical things like your mailing address for election related mail like mail-in-ballots, and your assigned voting location for states that do that.
Also it includes your party affiliation if you choose to list one so they know which primary you are going to participate in. It’s important to note the system of parties and primaries is somewhat informal because it’s technically not an official legal part of the system, it’s just people with similar political ideas organizing together to get their candidate a better chance.
So they don’t contain the actual vote, only the data of which of the two parties are you affiliated with. So in an election that has one candidate each like presidential it’s quite easy to figure out who you quite likely voted.
There are more than 2 parties.
but can someone from the US please explain me how voting actually works over there?
Gonna simplify a bit here…
There are two main election cycles: the mid-terms and the presidential election.
Presidential elections take place every 4 years in November. 2024, 2028, etc. This also includes a “primary” that starts sometime around March-April, where the candidates for the Democrats and the Republicans are voted for and chosen to then "compete in November. The primary votes are finalized at the respective DNC and RNC conventions.
The mid-terms take place every 4 years, but they are staggered between presidential election cycles. So, last presidential was 2024, so our mid-terms will be 2026. Next presidential is 2028, and the next mid-terms after that is 2030, rinse repeat.
Mid-terms and the presidential cycles are both very important as that is when certain Congressmen are up for election as Senate members are every 6 years and House is every 2 years.
Now, when a US Citizen registers to vote they will have the option to select a “political party preference”. This doesn’t just mean “Democrat” vs. “Republican”, the person can also usually choose from Independent/No-Party-Preference, Green Party, etc. depends on the state. However, there are “closed” and “open” primaries depending on the state and political party. For example, if you are a registered Republican you can vote in the Republican primary but NOT the Democrat one and vice-versa. Some 3rd parties like the Green party can be allowed to vote in the Democrat party primary(open primary) but not the Republican one(closed primary). This is to prevent “sandbagging” or “party raiding”, so Democrats can’t directly influence Republican primaries and vice-versa. This party affiliation is really only used for primary candidate voting, not for measures or ordinances or anything. Everyone should be able to vote for local laws no matter their political affiliation.
Now, since I’m seeing this a lot on this thread. Your actual votes are NOT tied to your person whatsoever. The ballot we vote on does not have our name on it any other type of identifying markers. Now you can infer that a person registered with the Democratic party probably voted for the Democrat candidate, but the government does not(and practically can’t) make a record of who you voted for.
Ok, now it makes sense. But if I understand it right if the Government gets the list of registered voters, they will have a pool of potential Democrat voters that they could harras/persecute.
Correct, that is a high possibility.
Personally you can probably make a list of Democrat voters without the voter registration logs(socioeconomic status, geolocation, education level, etc.). But I’m guessing they(the Trump administration) aren’t smart enough to do that.
Why do they want this?
It usually lists known party affiliations and who people voted for that cycle.
It’s an extermination list.
Adding on that they also want to overview how the elections are held in addition to the people eligable to vote. In other words: be able to control how Minnesotans vote.
Each state decides how to run its elections.
That last sentence is likely what most non-Americans do not understand. The federal government doesn’t have (and has no right to) this information because elections are administered by states. The way a state elects its federal representatives is variable(to a limited degree) but valid, as long as the state upholds its own rules and laws.
It usually lists known party affiliations
Correct
and who people voted for that cycle
False
You register to vote and you select a party preference, so you can vote in that party’s primary, but all votes are not tied to your individual person.
If you get a ballot in the mail(state dependent option), then you fill out your ballot and sign the back of the envelope that contains the ballot. The envelope is then turned into USPS or you take it to the registrar office, and drop it off. On voting day, ballot counters rip open the envelope, discard the envelope, and then your ballot(which has no markings or references to your individual person/identity) gets fed into a machine.
If you go in person to vote, same thing, you go to a voting location, they check your registration status(are you registered, party preference, etc.) and give you a ballot. You go into a voting booth, fill out the ballot, and then you drop the ballot off into a ballot box. Again, nothing on the ballot is marked or references your person.
Now you can make assumptions that a person registered as a Democrat voted for the Democrat running candidate, but there is no record of who you actually voted for UNLESS ballot counters make mental notes and go through your ballot for the mail-in-ballots, but again, there are people monitoring the ballot counters and I know some places use security cameras to make sure ballots aren’t tossed/destroyed. No phones are allowed in the ballot counting area.
Sorry for the dumb (not Form the US) question: Which information is in a voter database?
Name, address, party affiliation, prolly some more identifying information.
FWIW, voters in Minnesota do not register a party affiliation. (It varies by state.)
No democracy in the world should have a voter database with party affiliations. WTF USA?!
They do make it giving easy to register, so expect diaper squadron to find a way to fuck that up…
thanks. Party affilation sounds scary in this scenario.
Happily, Minnesota does not collect this information. In primaries, you get a ballot with all the parties on it, you pick one to fill out and leave the rest blank.
Wtf? Why is this stuff even collected? Aren’t elections supposed to be anonymous?
Most countries have some form of electoral roll to prevent fraud. The ‘party affiliation’ section is a US disease though.
For real, especially in States with closed primaries. In my state you can only vote in a party primary if you’re registered to vote as a member of that party. If I could participate in Democratic primaries without being a Democrat I’d still be unaffiliated.
But wouldn’t it be better to go vote in the Republican primaries? Then you can help influence whether they put in the merely horrible person instead of the actively evil one.
In fact this seems such an obvious loophole that I’m not sure why this isn’t done already? Especially since primaries have such low turnout that it would be much easier to influence.
It depends on where you are. Like where I am Republicans don’t win statewide. It might be somewhat effective if you’re organized with others in a closer state? But as an individual, no you’re going to get more mileage out of voting in the primaries of the party closer to you in political views.
Like if I’m closer to Bernie, then what good does it do for me to sabotage the Republican primary if me not voting in the Democratic primary leads to Hillary beating Bernie in the Democratic primary and now it’s a Republican I didn’t want vs a Democrat I didn’t want?
No, a lot of information about elections is actually public. Who you vote for is very secret, but your name, address, and the fact that you did or did not vote is often either public or available on request. This is important because if it was just a totally secret thing, there’s not much stopping a corrupt election official from dumping as many fake ballots into the total as they like or filling out ballots for people that didn’t show up.
not much stopping a corrupt election official
In my country, the election officials are thoroughly watched and from various parties to ensure they keep each other in check. It would be near impossible to sneak in extra ballots (at least, a significant amount of ballots that would actually make a difference). There is a voter register but everyone is on that list, you don’t need to register to vote.
Names and party affiliation. Possibly addresses as well. At least tells them whom to purge, at worst tells them where to find them.
Party affiliation can also be tracked by Palantir and co. If that fails, they just purge the black-sounding family names.
This is very alien to me, also not from the US. What is party affiliation? And voter registration?
Like in my country, there is a “vote-registry”, which is basically only relevant if you move out or back into the country. It is a “should the government include you to be able to cast a vote” , which is associated with your ordinary government registrerd address. All party “affiliations”, or they are memberships here, are handled by the parties themselves.
Is party affiliation like memberships but centrally registred with the government? Is voting registration not something which is default, but something you have to… Apply for? How is the party affiliation and voter registration linked? You have to include who you intend to vote for?
Some (but not all) states record party preference (i.e., Democrat or Republican), if provided. You do have to specifically register to vote.
Why do they do that? What is the original reason for it? To people from other democratic countries this sounds very strange.
A lot of States have what’s called “Closed Primaries” where they only let people that have registered with their party vote for who will be on the ballot. Ostensibly they do this so say Republicans can’t mass join a Democrat primary and skew results by voting for a candidate with no motion that the Republican will easily beat in the general and vice versa.
In reality it’s mostly a tool for party outreach and fundraising. If the Democrats know that 100 Democrats live in this neighborhood and they’re like medium propensity voters they might send some volunteers to knock doors in that neighborhood, for example.
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Wtf is there a voter database?
voter registry
i.e name, address, party affiliations, etc…, and whether or not they voted (but the vote itself are secret)
You need to be on the list to vote in elections. You get assigned the closest polling place, then you show up, they ask for you name, and they go through the book thing with a list of voters assgined to that polling place, they find your name then check it of before getting someone to set up the voting machine thing for you. For Pennsylvania, they ask for ID for the first time, they mail you a voter registry card which can be used for as that ID. Next time you don’t need an ID, the just ask you for a signature on the voter roll.
If you name isn’t on the voter roll at the polling station for some reason (like a mistake they made), you can ask for a privisional ballot then they sort it out later. If you were supposed to be on there, then they count the vote, otherwise its discarded.
So once they have this list, they can just go down the list of democrats and raid every house
Oh shit. Well, just sign up as independent it Republican.
