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Federal agents briefly detained our reporter at the scene, who says he was tackled to the ground and had a gun put in his face.
Watch the video.
It’s tough, because it’s literally a video of a murder.
But we all have to watch it.
3-4 Icicles at holding a man down and beating him, one of them lets off a single shot that instantly makes their victim go limp. Then 2-3 other icicles all draw and fire multiple shots into the body while the rest scatter.
Shit isn’t getting better and complying doesn’t work.
This is why I’m saying we need to get even more violent in retaliation.
People can downvote me all you want, but you know I’m right. It’s literally the only thing these actual monkey-brains understand: violence.
If there’s 4 of them beating and killing one person, there needs to be at least 10 of us with knives and aluminum bats hitting right back. We need to mix up our own chemical warfare agents.
No, because that will make them open fire…
What will work is protesters in plated vests with rifles.
Every state is different. For Minnesota it’s illegal to open carry a rifle, and there’s no permit to open carry a rifle. But if you get a permit to carry a handgun, you’re now allowed to carry a rifle.
The threat of effective violence is more effective than the actual act of ineffective violence, even when the threat is just passively implied by the presence of rifles and plates.
It costs less than a grand to get kitted out just like an ICE agent, hell, most of them don’t even seem to carry rifles, but all the more reason for protesters.
They already are opening fire, I think that’s the problem.
The Black Panthers seem to understand what it’s gonna take to deter Miller’s stormtroopers. Superior firepower.
Protesters should assign disciplined guardians: Kitted out, and watching from rooftops and windows.
These terrorist cowards might come to understand the words “constitutional oversight” when they break RoE and are gravely punished from above in return.
Show up alone, you get arrested. Show up with 100 people, you get shot. We need to show up with 100,000+ people.
Organize! Join an organization! DSA, PSL, something anything!
What you do is break that 100k up into 100 separate 1000 person marches. That then also spreads out the Feds and makes it basically impossible for them to round everyone up.
Pretty sure they did have 100k+ people yesterday at least. Maybe not yet this early, but 100k people does not mean much when the organized violent thugs just wait until they can find people away from the large crowds and murder them on the street.
I see one person in this video. Imagine if there was 100,000.
There was. And then they left ICE intact, which then found a spot the next morning with maybe a dozen or people and did a murder.
I think you’re missing my entire point.
What is it then? 100k+ people should exist 24/7 around the entire nation on each block?
Other people who read the news are not idiots and do not need this thinking outlined for them, it does nobody besides feds trying to make bullshit arrests for terroristic threats any good to share these thoughts on public forums
Implying the feds aren’t running a troll farm to incite people.
That’s how you lose.
That’s what they want.
Right now two white people getting killed by ICE in broad daylight with dozens of cameras on them is slowly but surely destroying the GOP. There’s nothing that shifts public opinion more than a clear narrative of “good guys” and “bad guys”. When one side is armed and the other side is unarmed, and the armed people are killing unarmed people, there are clear good guys and bad guys. The white house is doing everything they can to spin the Minneapolis victims as “terrorists”, but when they’re unarmed it’s a matter of seconds to disprove what they’re saying.
As soon as the anti-ICE protesters start getting armed and start shooting back, the story gets complicated again. It becomes much easier to claim the protesters are violent if they’re shooting back. It’s dead easy to claim an ICE goon feared for his life if someone shot at him.
“They’re shooting at ICE” gives Trump the excuse he needs to send in the military and start having guys in APCs start shooting heavy weapons into a crowd. It’s also much more likely the soldiers are going to obey if they’re getting shot at. If they’re sent in against unarmed protesters and ordered to mow them down, it’s very likely they’ll refuse that order. And, refusing that order would be a big step in the end of the Trump regime.
Not shooting back is the main thing that the Minneapolis protesters have done right so far. It’s also the most difficult thing to do.
But hey, it’s America. America thinks guns solve problems. So, go solve that problem Americanely, while the rest of the world just watches the US tear itself apart and shakes their heads.
What the fuck are you talking about?
People are currently not shooting back, and people are currently being murdered in the streets. Clearly it’s a plan that is working well so far /s.
You talk about a “good guy/bad guy” narrative, and then admit that the current government is painting the victims as terrorists. So why do you think your narrative is any stronger than the one that the president and many popular news media outlets are complicit in? Especially when you personally are telling people not to watch the objective footage.
The world is watching the US right now, and we are seeing innocent people die in the street, while people comment about how bad this will be for Trump in the next election and people need to get out there and vote while the Slavecatchers pull families from their homes. I’m feel like I’m losing my mind!
A small enough number that they can all be listed by name. You’re correct, it’s a plan that is working incredibly well. A handful of people have died, and those handful of deaths have resulted in protests by millions of people. The reason that those millions of people are willing to protest is that the people being killed are clearly blameless.
If someone died in a shootout with ICE, it’s much less likely that millions of people would turn out to protest their death. Thousands maybe, but not millions. For millions to show up you need a clear example of “good guys” and “bad guys”.
Yes, the government is trying to create its own “good guys” and “bad guys” narrative because, as I said, it works. But, they are utterly failing in the attempt to paint these people as bad guys because they’re being killed while unarmed and not fighting back.
Because “my” narrative is clearly supported by all the video evidence that is being collected by hundreds of people with their phones out. If people weren’t there with their phones out documenting things, then the Trump admin’s narrative would probably win. But, instead of guns, people are using cameras, and it’s working.
I’m telling people that they don’t need to traumatize themselves by watching footage that literally millions, if not possibly billions of other people have already watched. Their additional eyeballs on that footage isn’t going to do anything.
Yes, and the world has sympathy with the protesters because the protesters are unarmed while the ICE goons are armed. If the protesters started shooting, the world would quickly lose sympathy with the protesters. Instead they’d just sigh and think “great, the Americans are trying to solve everything with guns again”.
It might be good for you to unplug and stop subjecting yourself to the constant news cycle then. Don’t watch all these videos, just take care of your own mental health.
Some of you may die, but that is a risk that I am willing to take.
We have evidence of wrongdoing and crimes by the governments that spans years. If evidence was enough to topple this regime, we wouldn’t be here.
Kindly go fuck yourself you patronising git. I am mature enough to look after my mental health, and I choose not to turn away from the events that are unfolding. I do not need to be hooked into the 24h news cycle to see that things are dire, and ignoring them or telling others to ignore them is the kind of shit that lets dictators steal more power.
“Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice that I am willing to make.”
Get your quotes right.
You could also have gone with Thomas Jefferson: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
But, if you wanted to quote about the futility of using violence you could have gone with Gandhi:
“I object to violence because, when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary, the evil it does is permanent.”
Or Joan Baez:
“Nonviolence is a flop. The only bigger flop is violence.”
Or MLK Jr:
“Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon . . . which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals”
Maybe you’re so gun-brained you think that MLK and Gandhi were wrong, and that they would have achieved better results if they’d shot back. Maybe you’ve never heard of the velvet revolution, or the 1919 Egyptian revolution, or what led to the Berlin Wall coming down.
Of course evidence isn’t enough. The question is what comes after evidence. Is it violence or not? Non-violence clearly motivates people. Only 2 people have been killed and it has resulted in millions of people protesting. Would just as many people be coming out to support Minnesota if the score were 2 ICE agents dead and 2 protesters dead? I don’t think so.
Do you honestly think you can take on the US government including the entire US military with a violent revolution? And, if you did manage to win that violent revolution, would it be worth the cost? If you’re going for the violent win, that’s what you have to aim for. If you go for the non-violent option, the path is instead that more and more people defect to your side and refuse to use violence against non-violent protesters. That has a much better chance of winning IMO.
You say you feel like you’re losing your mind, and you attack someone who suggests maybe you should take a step back. You clearly have fragile mental health. Just unplug for a few days.
I just don’t want our guys to get hurt.
Don’t make a stand in a blaze of glory. The goal should be to make sure nobody knows who did it.
https://youtube.com/shorts/m1xOMR7R4q8
The video
Grabbed this from a lower comment, should be attached to the top comment.
I watched it multiple times and they just executed that guy. They just unloaded the entire clip into the body. Fucking hell that’s just gruesome.
At some point for these highly insecure “warrior alpha” types: “stopping the threat” just turns into jacking off with excitement.
I’m trying really hard to see how this could be anything else than a straight up execution. It’s hard to see any way that dude could be threatening the life of anyone here. He’s shot on his knees with his hands down looking away from the shooter (granted the footage we have here it’s kind of hard to tell just cause there’s so many people). There’s footage of him talking to the agents before just holding his phone to record and then they start shoving him. There’s also 8 bajillion agents beating the shit out of him right before. The woman’s footage from the other side of this will show a ton if she was recording.
Anyways, I look forward to hearing how this heroic agent saved the lives of all his fellow warriors during this altercation. Hope the agent recovers from the assault safely and quickly in the hospital…
Edit: few things, someone pointed out the agent in the grey coat disarms the victim and runs away with his weapon before he’s killed which I did not see at first.
Also, second lady’s footage is now out and it doesn’t show anything different than a bunch of thugs beating the shit out of this guy and then killing him.
Her footage (NSFW)
From this it seems more obvious to me that they saw a gun on him (I think I hear the agents shout ‘gun’) and they panicked and shot. Lack of training and discipline. Just horrific.
Why they unloaded the rest of the mag when he was clearly incapacitated I don’t know. Total lack of respect for human life.
This is outrageous, and there should be swift justice.
I’m about to watch the video, but just want to state my thoughts after reading the article:
This is the only information the article states. Their passive language suggests to me the sequence of actions is unclear, but probably that while wrestling him, he was shot before being fully restrained
Now to watch the video and find out if the wording is propaganda
2 notes:
That shooting is so much worse than the wording would suggest
I didn’t realize the article was in a feed format. Explains why it was only 1 sentence
The mag dumping was so egregious.
Repeating for emphasis. Official stories are already being posted that are blatantly not what happened. There will be some portion of the population that believes the lies they’re told. It’s powerful for your own sanity to be able to know with certainty that you’re being fed bullshit because you remember seeing it with your own eyes.
3-4 is a generous underestimate.
Link?
EDIT: Nwvermind. It had been pushed further down the thread.
Here is the video link
I disagree about everyone having to watch it.
I am capable of believing you, others that have seen the footage, and the reports coming out about what’s happened here. Seeing the act in full detail isn’t going to strengthen my resolve against ICE, nor make me more empathetic to this man or his family.
This is all barbaric, and while I similarly don’t think it’s getting any better, I don’t have to watch a recording of the last moment of this man’s life to know he was murdered, just as you don’t have to go see his corpse in the morgue to know the same.
No.
You need the visceral emotional reaction.
That’s different than logically understanding the abstract concept a murder happened. That’s not new, but what happens in this video is new. It crosses the line in an inexplicable fashion and either enough people see it happen once in this video all at the same time, or we all wait to see it individually in person
With respect, don’t tell me what I need based on what you need.
I don’t need to see a thing to have an emotional reaction to it. I am not a child lacking object permanence.
Being able to watch a dozen different angles of a person’s death in high definition isn’t necessary for everybody. Most murders have no footage, and empathy can still be experienced for them. Surely you also run the emotional gambit when you read of a school shooting, whether or not there is footage of the carnage, don’t you?
You don’t understand any of this, but if you were polite and asked questions I would have explained it and you’d have walked away from this with more knowledge than you had now.
Think about who really lost in this exchange
Who really lost? You perceive this back and forth as something that can be won or lost? Both you and I are arguing semantics from behind screens, not out risking our life and limb. There are no winners here.
You do though, because one the authorities start spinning their lies, there will be an element of doubt in everyone who has not seen this video.
An element of doubt? I can think critically. Can you not? The default thought hasn’t been ‘trust the authories’ for quite a while now. Rather the opposite.
If you hear two conflicting stories, without witnessing for yourself, there will always be an element of doubt. I’m not saying trust the authoritys, and I don’t know where you got that from. I’m saying you shouldn’t blindly believe what anyone says.
I got it from the comment you wrote.
I haven’t suggested anything about blindly believing a singular source. My point is that a video source isn’t necessary for everyone.
im almost sure one of them shouted “gun…gun…” then they executed him 1 second later despite the fact that he was not reaching for it.
Let’s break this down more.
If we choose to believe he had a gun so what? You are legally allowed to carry a gun in this country. The presence of a gun is not a legal excuse to murder a person.
Even if he had a gun he was being actively held down by several members of ICE. I don’t see how he could have drawn a weapon in that position. Regardless once they started beating him while he was on the ground he had every right to use deadly force to defend himself.
So even if you believe what DHS has to say the video shows there is no scenario where the mere presence of a gun justifies their actions
I rewatched the video and you can see his entire back, no weapon below the waist. If he had a gun in his hands they would have shot him on site. They’re just lying to us
I’m sure these guys keep spare guns just for these kinds of occasions.
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Watch the video again.
Tan beanie greenish coat guy pulls out a pistol and starts pistol whipping the guy.
Grey coat sees this, and nopes the fuck out.
Tan beanie stops pistol whipping him, readjusts his grip…
Then his hand is block in the video and a single shot rings out, causing everyone else to flea before shooting the body.
It really really looks like this guy just decides to escalate from pistol whipping a restrained and subdued man to shooting him in the head while multiple other people who didn’t know what was going on held the victim down.
This is just inexplicably fucked.
It wasn’t a pistol, it was a can of bear spray. Still horrible and not at all necessary, and no worse/better than a pistol imo. Just mentioning for clarification.
A valid question but more likely that they dropped a gun, on purpose or by incompetence, then they freaked and murdered the guy.
Fucking piece of shit fascist
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