The worst-case scenario is now a possible one: European troops fighting off an invasion largely alone.

It’s by no means clear the Europeans would succeed. Romanian and other European officials at the exercise in Cincu, about 260 kilometers (162 miles) north of Bucharest by road, voiced concerns about how long it would take for NATO allies to make it to the front.

French four-star General Philippe de Montenon said he’s confident Europe could prevail, even without the US on side. “The direction of history is a progressive disengagement of the United States from the European continent,” he said.

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    • Riddick3001@lemmy.worldOP
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      Such is life currently: hyperbolic questions in ironic comments like " have you proof about Ruzz agression, because the West…" etc.

      Smh, about the contrast between their potential to embrace a grand selfdeception and the arrogant stubbornness to look away from the invasive destruction and killings Shahed drones cause on a daily bases for more than a thousand days.

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      Some of those kinds of comments are typically from terminally online Marxist-Leninists.

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    NATO/EU needs to start moving resources more into place. This will cause putin to have to move troops out of Ukraine to balance.

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      Even along the Ukrainian border, the Russian troops guarding the frontier are their least capable units full of troops typically serving their 1 year conscription. Putin knows that NATO lacks the capacity for a Sneak Attack. Unless Poland orders full mobilization, the Russians won’t move more than token forces to the border.

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        NATO won’t attack, but putin is paranoid. I doubt he’d be able to ignore a buildup of NATO troops on his doorstep. And NATO needs to deploy hordes of drones and drone defenses as practice anyway.

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    French four-star General Philippe de Montenon said he’s confident Europe could prevail, even without the US on side.

    This is discussed too rarely. Does anybody know of a source that makes a reliable comparison?

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      Only the formerly head US forces in NATO, Ben Hodges afaik, has oftentimes said similar lines, like here :

      Europe should “quit whining” about the threats it faces and “act like the superpower” that it is, according to a former senior US army officer.

      Generally, he’s quite confident about Europe defending itself.

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    Why do we fucking still Need to use military confrontation for everything?

    Fr in this modern world with phones, internet and much more, why do we have to confront by sending young people in a year grinder?

    I am ashamed of my species

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      The funny thing is Russia should know full well how effective psyops are. They’re installing friendly far right assholes abusing the senility of boomers. They legitimately have a ton of countries on the path to destroy themselves. They could just… wait a decade and win.

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    Is there any credible material proof that Russia is preparing for an invasion of Europe???

    They are just barely capable of winning a slow war of attrition against Ukraine, how can you make a credible argument they could achieve any war aims against all of Europe?

    You can’t even argue they can take one country at a time, the entire border is riddled with NATO tripwire troops, guaranteeing the direct involvement of each major European military from the get-go.

    Is this just fearmongering to drum up support for more military Keynesianism?

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        They have invaded Ukraine, a country that is not in NATO nor in the EU, this article is talking about a war with all the European member states of NATO. I think my wording was clear.

        And considering rearmament, do you know what the security dilemma is, and what that means for the security of everyone in Europe?

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          Ukraine is still in Europe no matter how you spin it. Russia has also invaded NATO aligned airspace, cut infrastructure lines in the ocean, likely blew up a critical fuel pipeline, continues aggressive cyber warfare, bombed a railway in Poland, and pays for bots and misinformation campaigns and supports right wing fascism in the US and EU. They rattle their nuclear sabre constantly and have also had illegal incursions across borders like Finland… Tell us again how Russia isn’t a nascent threat to all Europeans after invading a sovereign country twice, downing passenger jets and sending proxy ships for covert unconventional warfare? The EU is under attack already and at least Poland is awake to it.

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              Not accoridng to them. They rightfully consider themselves Euroasian, and a growing number of Europeans see them that way too.

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                So, it’s still in Europe. What’s your point, other then division? Stop with this us/them shit, stop supporting warmongering narratives. Geography is not interested in this bullshit and you shouldn’t be, either.

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      Russia is already attacking EU/NATO with their hybrid war. Russia is pushing all these far right movements in europe and usa. They also attacked critical infrastrucure e.g. the internet cables and send their drones into europe. Also Russia send killers into europe to kill certain individuals e.g. in Berlin the “Tiergarten killer”. Russia needs to feel that it can no longer do this without consequence. Europe needs to walk the talk.

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      It also causes resources to go to the eu’s defense instead of Ukraine’s offense so it’s in Putin’s interest to spread the rumors.

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        Europe made the decision to massively increase their military capacity when the Invasion occured in 2022. New rumors have no affect on a decision that was already made.

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    It’s kind of funny how the West is getting beat by its own game.

    We only care about the money.

    Edit: Apparently this reality upsets a lot of you.