Edit: Oops, it is /r/Tennessee, not /r/ProgressiveHQ

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      At one point it was a glorious place. Then 5 people became admins and mods of the most popular 100 sub reddits and began controlling the narrative to fit their beliefs. In my opinion reddit has been dead for at least 5 years now

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      Front page, I believe was what they called themselves. But yeah, it’s been a glorious fall.

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      Lets be clear though, reddit is only worse than lemmy because it is centralized by one group of douchebags.

      Lemmy has plenty of shitty moderation too, and arguably is worse at dealing with it within any given instance due to the lack of proper mod tools, the way posts that are deleted remove entire comment sections from being accessible, the lack of any appeals system and I’m sure a few other things I don’t remember off the top of my head.

      Its a people problem, and its a style of organization problem with this style of forum.

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        reddit is only worse than lemmy because it is centralized by one group of douchebags

        That’s a really big distinguishing factor though. When a group gets “too big to fail,” it becomes a problem by giving said group too much control. Look at the genocide apologist mods on /r/worldnews .

        The de-centralization / fragmentation of Lemmy is an important check against bad moderation.

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          You absolutely bring up good points yes, but at the same time, I don’t think its a check, so much as a mild mitigation. Even on the lemmy verse there are still mega subs that take on the most activity and gain similar types of “too big to fail” critical user bases.

          The core problem, is that when a group gains disproportionate control over what users can see, they can push their views/twist arms, and that ultimately isn’t solved here.

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        I agree. Lemmy has a ton of awful moderators that abuse their power just to support “their” viewpoint.

        Lemmy is better though because it at least has the potential for people to have better moderation, as well as a modlog that keeps mods somewhat accountable and let’s people see what is being censored.

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          as well as a modlog that keeps mods somewhat accountable and let’s people see what is being censored.

          I’m not sure if this is still true, but you can get around that though if you ban the person before removing the comment. Also, some communities have a delay on showing what’s been removed.

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          I agree. Lemmy has a ton of awful moderators that abuse their power just to support “their” viewpoint.

          Indeed. Famously the elephant in the room of the ml instance where they’re gone so far off the deep end on a lot of topics that they end up in essence supporting extremist conservative views/human rights abuses and worse. This is either with direct support with the weird straight up dictatorship praises many sing, being so toxic and hard to talk to that they push people away (who I hope know they certainly aren’t the average left leaning person) or the awful thing many do where they feel any incremental positive change is bad, and the only good change is a magic overnight revolution and shift to 100% exactly their view of how society should work, that they’ll also never spell out.

          Lemmy is better though because it at least has the potential for people to have better moderation

          In some ways yes, in some ways the opposite (as mentioned with the lack of tools).

          Regarding the modlog, maybe I am missing something, but when things are deleted here, its actually a little bit worse than reddit sometimes in that you won’t be able to immediately see the content that was deleted of yours, and then for mod logs, I believe (As I am not 100% sure) that comment removals disappear when the user who made the comment is banned as well, so its kinda false transparency.

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    The mod of a fascist sub about a fascist state of a fascist country on a fascist website is behaving like fascist? I’m shocked.

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      Yeah but greedy little pig boy Spez just became a billionaire, so it was worth sacrificing your speech for his wealth.

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      To which I disagree.

      With all the cases on reddit where it seems that outcome serves republicans - there is a counter-argument of how most major subs are democrat-sided subs. Maybe mods are republicans, but still user base is majority of democrats. r/pics, r/adviceanimals, r/therewasanattempt, r/clevercomebacks, r/facepalm - these were never primarily about politics. And now they are and these are only democrat-sided.

      Or, maybe, it is astroturfing and political bots swarm these subs. Who knows at this point?

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    No outside political agitators (This is a broad one, but if we look at your post history and all you do is spam geographical subs stirring the political cauldron we will remove your post and ban you from this sub)

    The lesson on Reddit (if you still use that platform) is to hide your history. I’m guessing they used this rule for the ban. Bans from subs should exclusively be for content posted on that sub. If something is bad enough to warrant a sitewide ban, that is another matter.

    Anyhow, there are is another post about the election: https://old.reddit.com/r/Tennessee/comments/1p36q6s/millions_pour_into_tennessee_special_election/

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      This raises the question: Is there somebody else on that sub posting about the special election? There should be enough Tennesseans that at least one of them should post there.

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        Blue dots in a sea of red. I’m in a similar political geography and you see a similar pattern.

        I’m sure there’s been quite a few posts, but they just don’t last.

        Reddit is sort of dead.

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    Wow. Just fucking wow.

    Does Facebook and X do similar types of censoring when it comes to the Republican agenda?

    Or is it somehow easier to install them as mods on Reddit subs, making it appear to be more “grass roots” without blaming the platform itself for censorship and bias?

    I guess of fb you have “groups” (as opposed to subs) where you could install similar “mods.”

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      Facebook, Twitter and Reddit all have a history of silencing by shadowbans and most people have no idea. There’s a billion different ways to silence you on each of these.

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      Reddit moderation has been pretty comprehensively captured by bad actors.

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      I think left wing content on Xitter just gets suppressed, not deleted. Since buying a checkmark gets your posts boosted to the top of the algorithm, and right wingers are far more likely to give money to the Nazi bar.

      But, I haven’t used it in a long time, so I could be mistaken. When I gave up on it, I was being shown almost nothing but alt right shit regardless of how many accounts I blocked/muted or what posts I interacted with, though. (And pretty much the only other content I’d get was porn and gore that I didn’t want to see.) And every search would show me a hearty mix of Nazi propaganda and porn, no matter how irrelevant.

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      Designing an opinion platform with “volunteer” mods is asking for agenda-driven operatives to volunteer.

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        especially when you boot out all the volunteers with accessibility needs over API monetization that was clearly just meant to kill off API usage.

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      X probably does. Facebook seems to be more impartial. Not that it speaks much against Zuck’s support for the administration.

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        New study shows just how Facebook’s algorithm shapes conservative and liberal bubbles

        The answer seems to be yes. After analyzing popular political news links posted on the platform between September 2020 and February 2021, the researchers found that there’s not much overlap between political news consumption within the two camps. Segregation also increases as a news link moves from being selected by the algorithm, to being seen by a user, to being interacted with.

        That ideological gap was larger than what other research has shown for overall news consumption online and in traditional media.

        “This borders on an indictment of Facebook’s algorithm,” said Laura Edelson, a computer scientist and postdoctoral researcher at NYU. She was not involved with the project but has done similar research and reviewed the studies’ findings. (In 2021, Edelson and her team were blocked from accessing Facebook after a clash over the data they were collecting.)

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        I assume with X you need to directly manipulate the algorithm to manipulate what appears in feeds. Which means you don’t have this plausible deniability by blaming a third party mod. OTOH it’s more difficult for a user to detect the platform doing algorithm manipulation and call out the platform because it’s just a black box to them.

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      I would expect Twitter to be a huge conservative circle jerk, but it really is not. I think the fighting between the two sides is good for business. I also would expect TikTok to do so as well, and maybe it will once Ellison takes over, but so far that’s the best boots on the ground source for seeing real events happening in real time, even if it conflicts with whatever bullshit narrative is spun out of the event.

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        Is Oracle really going to host TikTok? That’s been a rumor for like two years now. Even if they do host it on their servers, what kind of administrative or moderation control are they expected to have?

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          I don’t know about hosting - but the deal was being finalized a little over a month ago and it was reported that Oracle would manage the security and algorithm after the purchase of TikTok US. Or at least, they will be licensing the algorithm if they won’t own it. The new development I was unaware of is that it won’t just be Larry Ellison, but also Rupert Murdoch and Michael Dell. We truly live in hell.

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    This is why Reddit is garbage and anyone that still has an account on there is only fueling the fire. Fuck Reddit and their mods

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      Reddit’s glory days were when it was big enough to have consistently interesting stuff, especially in the niche subs, but not so big that bad actors (corporatization, foreign influence, domestic partisan bots, hate groups) could enshitify it. Now it’s practically unusable.

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      I finally left the platform entirely a few months ago, but for a time I maintained an account for discussion on hobby and niche topics. Nothing political, and it would be a real stretch to call any of it controversial. After I got a very dubious account suspension, I just said “fuck it” and moved on.

      Can’t say I miss it either. It’s a fucking cesspool.

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          Because obviously only MAGA can be bad people. Yeepee China and Russian number one!

          /s needed because we’re on Lemmy

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            I’m not sure if you’re American, but for me as an American Maga impacts my life many times more than china or Russia so maga’s evil is far more relevant in my life. But either way you are doing a lot of whataboutism.

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              The comment I was responding to pretty much said the only abuse is about MAGA stuff. As for whataboutism, idk how you can do better

              I’m not in the USA.

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          We have .ml propaganda blaming our only hope of resistance for everything the Nazis do.

          It’s not much different from the projection tactic the GOP use. Just in this case it’s “you didn’t stop it”.

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            Ml dont have much influence and we can easily remove them by blocking or defederating them because no one controls lemmy and that is the beauty of lemmy.

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            But lemmy allows for various viewpoints unlike reddit which is mostly run by the same mods in every large subreddit.

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            That’s fair.

            There’s also a handful of users on other instances that love bashing the dems for not being left enough or something. These are just a few nutters, not really moderators pushing agendas.

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              Those nutters are sometimes mods. Try criticizing Stalin on any lm community, see how fun.

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      You think Lemmy is better? Mods here are engaging in the same shitty behaviours. Lack of moderator accountability is a serious issue on this platform.

      Edit: brigading just proves my point, you dumb fucks.

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          Remember when the person behind GamingOnLinux decided to leave Lemmy after someone pointed out their community manipulation tactics in the modlog? Something that you have to assume they had been able to get away with as a Reddit mod. They then took to Mastodon or something to complain about how a modlog being public is “bad design”.

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            What kind of agenda would a GamingOnLinux powermod push?

            IMO the biggest flaw is that the mod log doesn’t append a copy of the content that was deleted. It allows mods to just straight up lie.

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              From what I have seen, removed comments definitely are still visible in the modlog. But if the mod just bans the user instead of removing the comment, all the user’s comments are automatically removed as a result and are not visible in the modlog. All that said, you are correct, this can be abused by moderators who understand the distinction and take advantage of it.

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          But really it’s a human problem. As long as humans get power, they will misuse it. Perhaps not all, but some will.

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        I absolutely have observed mods on Lemmy engaging in the same shitty behaviors (I am sitting on a post about a little cabal of !progressivepolitics@lemmy.world people who seem to be trying to rig the discourse in a particular direction to meet their electoral goals). But the simple fact of it being less centralized and more transparent (and with more of a culture of effective pushback against the mods) makes it a lot harder. They can’t just say “lol get fucked” like the mod from this post did and have that be the end of the story.

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          Plus federation means that the admins can’t just step in and shut down any competing communities unless they are on their instance. And if that happens, it just starts up on another instance.

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          I’ve seen the mod in that community delete comments that simply disagreed with them or called out their deletions. It’s always “harassment” or something no matter how polite people are being.

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        Honestly yes, I have not had much problems with mods (and admins!) deleting the words I’ve taken time out of my day to write.

        Free Luigi Mangione!

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          As part of the LW Community Team, I’ve tried to combat this in a couple ways.

          One is that when we need moderators for a community I don’t just put up a post that says “who wants to mod?” Instead I try to draft specific individuals one at a time who are relevant to that community.

          You wouldn’t believe how many people just tell me no. They have time to post to Lemmy a dozen times a day, but they just don’t have time to mod c/threepostsaweek

          The other is that I try not to just keep recruiting mods we already have. It’s very easy to turn to the people already doing the modding and ask them to pick up just one more, but we’ve seen what that has done to Reddit, and I’d rather not repeat it.

          But all this takes time and effort, and it doesn’t seem to have much effect yet. I probably just need to keep at it.

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    Basically all the local subreddits have right-wing mods and a cadre of incels that try to drive the conversation constantly towards minorities who commit crimes