And yet they appear to be trying to make people sicker
IF you’re sick, you work more to afford healthcare and also give them more money.
Even these stupid fucks admit that by privatizing basic needs it causes severe economic harm yet still they cannot give a damn.
A little late for mutual prosperity, Capitalists.
Until we automate your job with AI and or robotics.
“You are worth keeping alive only as long as your owners can continue to extract value from your existence.” - Dr. Oz
Why do you think the right are always wanting to cut Medicare? The faster you die after 65 the better!
The mask has come off. Huzzah.
Honestly, I’d be fine with it, if it actually led to the part where the population is healthy enough to work and thrive if they so desired.
But that’s not what they’re saying. They’re saying they want to keep you alive long enough to keep working past your retirement age.
Quality of life never factors into financial projections, so their goal is give the bare minimum to the people who can pay for it. The part where he says “If you so desire” is so incredibly loaded I am surprised it didn’t make a loud crashing noise when he said it. Tell us what the alternative is Doc Oz. What’s the alternative??
take it from me, the years you are capable of working are more valuable to you than the years you are not, regardless of what you do with them. if you are unable to work, there’s a damn good chance you amassed quite the list of things you were unable to do before work got added to the list.
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Great, but your only reward for excellent health is that they want you to sit obediently working in your office cubicle to age 72 and beyond.
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I’m just reminding you what this post is about. Dr Oz wants everybody to be healthy for the sole purpose of staying in the workforce until death to improve the nation’s economy. I’m 50 and still doing cartwheels & handstands & pullups & running miles but if all the govt sees me as is a slave to capitalism for their own selfish benefit, I say the sooner we uprise & conquer fascism, the better.
hes afraid people like him can grift from the poors if they all die too fast. if too many people(republicans) lose snap or medicaid, and they suddenly start getting super sick or dying faster, the gop are going to start losing alot of SEATS in the near future.
I read your comment a few times and I think you mean “can’t”(?)
hes afraid people like him can grift from the poors if they all die too fast.
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so your nutrients could be extracted and exploited by the ownership class, same as the rest of us.
Also, this ignores the rampant ageism that is ever-present in the workforce.
In today’s economic circumstances, you are probably best working until you are 65 or more, unless you want to be impoverished in your later years. Also, your health care is tied to the workplace for the most part. Unless something changes drastically to correct this - something like UBI and/or better SS/Medicare, better ACA, etc., that’s just the way it is.
In addition, biotech may add years of healthspan to people’s lives, meaning they would be very able to work and live healthy lives much, much longer than was expected of prior generations. On the other hand, you have this accepted culture where it’s like people start signaling to people as young as 35 that maybe they are getting long in the tooth.
I mean…what in the FUCK? How is that math going to work out in the aggregate?
assuming you can afford all these medications, and treatments that is.
I’ll never understand why normies love these freak grifters. They all look weird too. It makes no sense to me.
Team players. R next to their name means they are all in, regardless of what their policy is.
As much as i dont believe politics should be like sports, the unfortunate truth is, it is.
Although I disagree with Dr. Oz’s premise, his argument that he’s given here is sound.
And a person who makes that argument must believe in universal healthcare. Because there are people out there who can’t work today because of health issues, or who are caregivers for people with health issues.
Universal healthcare also allows people to start their own businesses without fear that their decisions will lead to worse medical outcomes.
There may be nothing better for the old GDP than universal healthcare.
The true enemy in healthcare are not utilitarians. It’s the small government idiots and the authoritarian sycophants.
Of course, as Dr. Oz is a MAGA conservative, I assume that he doesn’t actually have this logical consistency. He likely doesn’t even care what he’s saying and just makes the most convenient immediate argument and doesn’t have any underlying morality that it is based on, except to support Dear Leader, because that’s the MAGA way.
The thing is that they’ve lost the plot. Yes it’s good to have everyone healthy so they can contribute to society and keep the economy healthy. But the point of growing the economy should be to make the country better for the people. It should feed back to better quality of life, more opportunities, better education, new useful and fun technology. The goal shouldn’t be to grow the economy just so the billionaires get richer.
I don’t doubt that Dr. Oz has evil underlying motives. But that isn’t the argument that he’s made in the quote we’re talking about.
Small businesses also have workplaces and also contribute value to the GDP, and meanwhile, large businesses are often holding back our GDP by intertwining themselves with the government so that they don’t actually have to compete. They love that people get their healthcare through their businesses today because that makes them closer to slaves.
A person who actually has an underlying moral view that would make them make Dr. Oz’s argument would be beneficial to work with to get true public single-payer universal healthcare. (I just looked it up, and Dr. Oz has only supported a private sort of UHC, which is not completely in line with the quote we’re looking at, to no surprise.)
They love that people get their healthcare through their businesses today because that makes them closer to slaves.
Same reason they love H1Bs. Listen to me or leave the country.
I don’t think they’ve lost the plot. They’re just the flesh puppets for a superorganism whose plot is orthogonal to human values
I am with you on everything you said. But some dark humor hit me and I had to share. There is more than one way to make “everyone” healthy. Sure universal Healthcare seems like the obvious solution. But what if we just kill all the unhealthy people. Lies, damn lies, and statistics. :)
Oh you mean the gop plan
Or give them loans that can’t be written off on bankruptcy. 😈
the orphan-crushing-machine dialectic.
Man they don’t even have the sense to know what the quiet part is anymore
oops I crapped my pants
edit you know i was joking but now that i think of it, so many of them have Resting Oops-I-Crapped-My-Pants Face [or Resting Oops-I-Am-Crapping-My-Pants Face] it cannot be a coincidence
I think a more subtle point is that even by the most Business-oriented, cold, calculating, empathy-devoid, mathematical take possible were humans are nothing more than wealth generating cogs, the system is still shit because it’s not using said cogs in the most optimal way (which requires the “cogs” to be healthy and at least somewhat content with life).
In other words, even by the criteria of the hardest of hard Right, the system we have is shit because the over-exploitation of those they see as wealth producing peons and sub-optimal allocation of resources for necessary auxiliary social system means the entire system is producing less wealth than it could if said “wealth producing peons” were kept in better shape and more content.
Kind of the right thing thing for the wrong reasons. Helping people be able to function is of course the goal of a health system.
But like with everything, the government exists not to look after the interests of the citizenry but to create the right conditions for business.
I think I first figured that out when I was learning about the governments’ historic treatment of native Americans. They really only sent the army out to the frontier when there was a major business venture being harmed by unrest.
It’s one of those rare cases in which both sides should agree- whether you believe a government is an institutional arm of people who agree to collectively take care of everyone, or whether you give no shits and only want to make money. And yet somehow America still has terrible healthcare.
Yeah, but some of that healthcare would make its way to non-white, non-Christian, non-men.
This is what’s so infuriating to me. There are so many policies we don’t implement not because it would be a net negative even for the economy, but just because some people are too afraid of giving anyone a “handout” that they “don’t deserve” or something.
The government and economy exist to serve the people. That’s democracy.
