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Left snowflakes are treading on me snaek!
Is this graph supposed to be useful in any way? It excludes a huge number of voices from the left and also have a bunch of circles without names and just some random 1.1m or 2m NR on them but without any indication of who they represent more than their color.
I don’t understand why bubbles with seemingly random positions was chosen to represent this data.
Feels weird to include Noah and Carlson but not include Jon Stuart, Stephen Colbert, or John Oliver.
Not sure I trust the methodology here. I would’ve expected shows like The Ezra Klein Show or Pod Save America to be fairly big on the left here (and on the Apple Podcast charts, TEKS is ahead in rank of some that are listed here, PSA not far behind).
The description of the methodology is not very clear. For example, it’s unclear what they consider a “show”, what their search strategy was to arrive at their initial list of shows, and how the raters determined whether a show was leaning left or right (i.e., some of this is described but not in a way that would make it reproducible, and there seems to be some gut feel involved). The exclusion of shows produced by TV stations makes sense but excludes more left- than rightwing sources.
I don’t doubt that right-wing shows have the upper hand in the non-traditional media market and agree this is a problem, but this project may be exaggerating the difference a bit.
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Did something change? Last I knew they were insufferable libs
Same with Ezra Klein, who is representing the enlightened center.
So many masterdebaters
all the large ones are , as you guessed it funded by putin through his oligarch, through an LLC media company or series of other right wing groups. they are responsible for drawing men into incelism, and to conservatism.
THeo von, was orginally not so shilling, i first saw him an asian youtubers channel now turned maga, surprise! that ALSO hosted russian asset TULSI gabbard on thier show just before pandemic, luckily these asian Yutz destroyed thier old fanbase for mysogyny(decided to blame everything that caused thier declining channel on a single female employee(she was the sole catalyst after another gossipy asian chimed in) and by extension all the former women on thier channel) and incel. im guessing over pandemic he went right wing, although i always had a suspicion he was a trashy white guy that is right winger, even before the pandemic, but couldnt put my finger on it.
funded by putin through his oligarch
Yeah, Dugin is getting his wish of the West self-destructing, however slowly.
They get funding, that much is obvious. It was the same story with the Nazis who got massive support from obvious sources.
Russell Brand is right wing…?
Most of the rapists are.
yep, he started drifting off the deep end during the pandemic.
Here is a reddit ootl from a year ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1eagosa/whats_going_on_with_russell_brand/
top comment:
Answer:
Russell Brand is a British comedian and social media personality who started his career as a left-aligned comedian that relied on shock value style comedy and shows.
He got a career doing TV shows and movies and was known for his intellectual style arguments and contrarian opinions. His major claim to fame in the US would be marrying Katy Perry
and later breaking up with her and asking for a divorce via txt message 2 years later.
He was later accused of a number of sexual assaults and inappropriate behaviour and was disowned by Hollywood as a result.
In 2013-2015 Brand admitted to have never voted despite his strong political leanings and expressed public disillusionment in the British political process.
During the 2020 pandemic Brand went totally off the rocker and began sharing conspiracy theories on his social media platform and started moving towards the far-right.
Like many washed up celebrities that got Me-too’d or cancelled he began pivoting far to the right as his left-wing audience abandoned him. He changed his content to align with the likes of Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson
the so called “The Intellectual Dark Web” that give a platform to people with seemingly intellectual content but with a focus on contrarian beliefs, anti-woke politics, non-mainstream scientific beliefs, and straight up conspiracy theories.
He’s now considered a right-wing anti-woke podcaster who uses his social media following to spread conspiracy theories.
Like super right wing. Like kill trans people and sexual assault on women right wing.
This would be more representative as a venn diagram because a lot of those numbers overlap.
Would be interesting to see a funding source overlay on this
Right leaning folks LOVE to have their views validated. Left leaning folks will listen but don’t constantly need validation. Easy.
Need more left leaning people to game it by coming off right wing but satirically to challenge worldviews.
right leaning folks also don’t think for themselves, left leaning folks tend to do better in that regard. This is generally a positive, however it means listening to someone share their own views without being able to communicate disagreements is really fucking annoying.
“Mildly interesting” is not very close to my reaction to this at all, rather something closer to “particularly concerning”
It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets. Plenty of “opinion disguised as news” to go around these days.
The act of reading highly factual, if biased and not independent, still cultivates thinking for one self. Listening to these influencers doesn’t, to the same degree.
We need to do better in supporting independent journalism, and journalism in general. Replacing perhaps slightly biased newspapers with influencers is not a good solution… just makes it a million times worse. False information can spread so easily nowadays because influencers don’t even bother checking anything, let alone asking experts. A lot of influencers also blatantly pander to their audience.
It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets
You have plenty of non-profit newspapers. ProPublica. The Guardian. The Colorado Sun. The Salt Lake Tribune. Mother Jones. Le Devoir. La Presse. Mediapart.
Also, if a journalist writes total bullshit, they lose their job. It’s career suicide. Their articles follow them for their entire career. So they have to be careful.
If someone on social media spreads bullshit, what happens ? Nothing.
Also, if a journalist writes total bullshit, they lose their job. It’s career suicide. Their articles follow them for their entire career.
WMDs in Iraq
You have plenty of non-profit newspapers. ProPublica. The Guardian. The Colorado Sun. The Salt Lake Tribune. Mother Jones. Le Devoir. La Presse. Mediapart
And how much of the market do these networks control? Just because there are non profits available doesn’t negate their claim.
Also, if a journalist writes total bullshit, they lose their job. It’s career suicide. Their articles follow them for their entire career. So they have to be careful.
Depending on what network they are submitting their work to… It’s not like “journalists” on Fox News are being shamed for submitting fake stories.
If someone on social media spreads total bullshit, what happens ? Nothing.
Thats not true. They become president.
The source has other infographics in case you were more than mildly interested through no fault of your own. https://www.mediamatters.org/google/right-dominates-online-media-ecosystem-seeping-sports-comedy-and-other-supposedly
Before online influencers, it was AM radio.
Which only reached middle aged and older men who drove a lot
Edit: I don’t get the downvotes. In AM radio’s heyday, pre-2000, women and younger people were not listening to it at all. Older men were the target demographic. Of course everyone had access to radios, but women and younger people were listening to FM, not Rush Limbaugh. And at home, AM was never on unless you were in a very rural area and an AM station was your only choice.
You know some people really show their age when they talk about the past…
Their were just as many radios as we have TVs now back in the day
Being someone from back in the day, yes, I remember. And back then the dominant demographic who tuned in to AM talk radio like Rush Limbaugh were white men driving for work. There were just as many TVs around pre-2000, too, we’re not talking about the 60s…
I submit that there are more radios than cable tvs now. Radio is still going strong. The radio shows are just as dangerous as ever.
possibly more dangerous because they’re what you turn to when you’re really out there. out where spotify doesn’t reach but you still don’t want to be alone with your thoughts. it’s like how it’s important to pay attention to what’s in the walmart discount dvd bin. for a lot of people that is what they have access to because no one else makes themselves available. having infinite connectivity has isolated us more than it connects us.
even now, i’m guilty of this. i’m outside. a honey bee polinates a sunflower. do i talk to anyone here? no they’re all busy with their own conversations and i’m just waiting for a phone call. so i let these cracks in this fractured reality remain as i go online and simulate connection with all those who see this text.
in that experiment with the baby monkey, the wire momma with the milk, and the terry cloth momma with the heater, we are all the baby monkey clinging to the falsified social experience while missing out on the nutrients we need.
the powers that be know this and manipulate it
Yeah, but the target audience for those was people (mostly men) who had long commutes or drove for a living. I don’t think I ever knew someone to leave it on in their house, it was always something to listen to in the car. I’m sure some people did but I don’t think it was typical. If you’re in the house after 2000, Fox News is your steady drip of brain rot.
Thank you for agreeing with my point. No one ever listened to AM radio at home. I don’t get why this perspective seems so controversial here after having living through it and observing this
They didn’t say back in the day, though, they said before online influencers. Which would be, at most, the mid-nineties. Realistically late aughts to early 10s.
How many people, realistically, got their news from AM radio after the advent of television but before the advent of online influencers?
Tens of millions of people did.
There was a time when Rush Limbaugh was one of the most politically influential voices in the country.
Not to mention the huge number of evangelical propaganda AM stations.
I think it’s safe to say that telecom deregulation and the subsequent AM radio boom is one of the core reasons why American adults above 50 are rightwing/fascist.
General “centrist” unbiased news coverage tends not to affirm right-wing beliefs so they have to retreat into fringe independent media.
“Centrist” media tends to affirm things like the results of good science and vague inclusion, so liberals are happy to listen to it. It’s only self-described socialists or other “far left” euphemisms that recognize the deference to capitalism as problematic.
General “centrist” unbiased news coverage tends not to affirm right-wing beliefs so they have to retreat into fringe independent media.
Ehhh, don’t really agree; centrist news has historically ceded a lot to right wing framing and affirmation, while being far from unbiased. If anything, they have license to overtly right wing media to go even further.
Lotta fucking idiots on that chart.
Left and right. Hasan is the Tucker Carlson of the left.
What’s wrong with Hasan? He seemed fine last I knew.
I have to say, he does see pretty normal when your on lemmy for a while.
He went unhinged in the last few years.
Said Crimea is Russian territory.
Backs China’s takeover of Tibet.
Backs the “reeducation camps” China has for the Uyghurs.
Plays Houthi terrorist propaganda videos and backs Hezbollah.
He went from a reasonable Bernie supporter to a full blown tankie in just a few years.
america deserved 911.
I mean we deserve far worse than 9/11, not that killing a few thousand civilians has the potential to move things in a positive direction, a lesson america still hasn’t learned.
Crimea is Russian territory.
Crimea has been administered by Russia for years now, like it or not, its currently Russian territory and is likely to remain so in the near to mid future.
China’s takeover of Tibet
I have my criticisms of the CPC, but liberating Tibet from the theocratic, slave-owning Lamas is not one of them. Theres a reason when we dropped a bunch of gusanos into Tibet and gave them weapons, instead of sparking a rebellion, they were lynched by their former slaves.
Backs the “reeducation camps” China has for the Uyghurs.
It was better than earlier policies, somewhat successful, though it could have been done more competently seemed like the general consensus when I was in Urumqi earlier. Theres more nuance than I was able to parse with my limited knowlege and language, so I dont have any solid opinions here, but I am certain that knowledge is greater than someone who has never been there and gets their understanding from other people who have never been there.
Plays Houthi terrorist propaganda videos and backs Hezbollah.
They’ve been the defacto state for a decade now, they’re defending against a genocide, what exactly are you getting out of handringing over this?
Defending against genocide by conducting terrorist attacks on ships, killing the crew and taking them hosting? Crews that have fuck all to do with Israel?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_the_Eternity_C
Your tankie test came back. It’s terminal.
He’s just an influencer, but he’s better than most. I just hate influencers. It’s not a good aspect of our system.
