ICE agent.
What if they paid you enough to bankroll a political campaign for the opposition?
A) they wouldn’t. B) I’d still end up in jail for attacking another agent.
A) That’s not the question. The question said “regardless of pay.” So we can imagine you get paid $500m. It doesn’t have to be realistic. That’s the point of a hypothetical.
B) If that’s the case, you need to work on your impulse control. In our hypothetical scenario, you would be sacrificing the political change you could create with your salary for the short term satisfaction of hurting someone else. It’s a bit of a trolley problem - but then, the point of trolly problems is to get us to grapple with our ethical assumptions.
Unless you are very good at causing internal disruptions, sabotage and slow downs.
Same. Although mainly because I don’t have the cool maintain my cover while undermining the organization from within.
I’d end up with assault/murder charges, for tasing/shooting one of the bulldogs.
But, what about your monthly “nut”?
I’ll stick with growing weed and building computers. Less blood on my hands there.
Was just a silly reference to the last South Park episode.
Everyone just saying jobs they dont like, or that they have ethical qualms about, but ignoring “regardless of pay” - and I don’t believe you.
Just imagine the salary for the position is $500m per year. At a certain point, you would be able to quit the job with plenty of money for the rest of your life after working for a very short period of time, or else you would be able to use the money to make more good in the world than the harm done by your labor.
If you have a skill set someone is offering $500k for, someone less shitty is going to be offering at least $400k. So you’re not giving up $500k, you’re giving up $100k or 20%. I’ve taken bigger pay cuts than that in exchange for increased job satisfaction.
Every other job will only hire you for a normal wage that you would make in the real world.
The point of the exercise is to grapple with an ethical quandry, not to sidestep it.
I’m not particularly interested in an exercise which is completely irrelevant to real-world scenarios. In the real world your choice would look more similar to my example, so that is the more relevant hypothetical.
If we cared about the real world, we’d be actually doing something, rather than just talking.
ICE thug Slumlord’s handyman Anything that takes orders directly from the Trump administration
ICE
Hmm, you sure? You should watch South Park, S27, E2.
Might change your mind. 😉
Raytheon and co. Anything related to “defense”, really.
You only go around the sun so many times, and you want to spend it on making brown kids into skeletons more efficiently? Fuck that shit.
My coworker left our job because a place offered him a pay raise that was like half his current salary.
He came back - the job was so terrible he couldn’t stay there. Not just the actual work, but the people.
I try to avoid working anyplace evil, so banks, oil companies, etc. and there are environments I can’t be productive in - government, healthcare, anyplace very structured and bureaucratic. I guess if the pay and position are secured, and I can handle my work however I want without losing them, then I would not do anything that would kill me or others either directly or through incompetence (underwater welder, race car driver, assassin, surgeon), would probably cave on banks and other evil orgs, since I might be able to try to change them from the inside.
There are pipeline and mining jobs near me that would leverage my degree and skills but I don’t even entertain applying, I would hate it there doing stuff I feel is wrong.
“By the way, if anyone here is in advertising or marketing…kill yourself” --Bill Hicks
“Oh, you know what Bill’s doing? He’s going for that anti-marketing dollar. That’s a good market. He’s very smart.”
No! Fuck you, you work in advertising you’re sucking the devils cock. Kill yourself!
Planting seeds.
I worked in marketing. Though…
- I create materials/tools to help patients with chronic diseases stay adherent to medication while building a better lifestyle
- I made materials to convince health insurance companies to cover medications
So, it’s not all bad. I moved on to hospital records analysis to identify things that would kill people, and now work in protocols and systems that help preserve the privacy of user data (one of them even uses ActivityPub).
I’ve been pretty fortunate in the jobs I’ve been able to find.
“Look, I’ve worked with other vulture companies to convince them to get better PR by not being absolute soul-rotting evil all the time!” is not the flex you think it is, R.E. insurance compainies.
I think you misread. I didn’t work with or for insurance companies.
Palantir
Meta
Amazon
Apple
As a Software Engineer my list is only slightly longer and has these additional companies:
Oracle
Microsoft
Google
any military or military complex job. i refuse to assist or partake in the murdering of humans.
Don’t forget the fiscal, environmental, and resource destruction. Now if they only made cool camping/ outdoor gear…
Nursing.
Couldn’t pay me to go through the hell those people witness
Me ex-wife worked 100% in surgery. She used to laugh that she never had to talk to the fuckers. She was so clinical about it that she could tell me about a case and had no idea if it was a man or woman, black or white, nothing, just body parts.
there’s a lot of different settings for a nurse, but I guess a good nurse should be able to at least stomach the worst of em if needed
Jack booted tool of oppression
Mercenary/ “private military contractor”, ICE agent, prison gaurd
Anything requiring me to travel to the US
I once interviewed at a bulk email (spam) company because i was desperate for a job. They realized how uncomfortable i was so didn’t offer it, but i like to think I would have declined, regardless how much i needed the job.
Working under Trump.
