is it? top gun maverick would be the most recent us militaryganda out there, it resulted increase in RECRUIT/enlisting numbers last year.
I’m not the biggest comic book reader, but I did prefer DC over Marvel because the stories ended every now and then. There are some very memorable self-contained stories. And then they mulligan and reboot Batman or whatever, but at least there were occasional conclusions and it wasn’t just an ongoing soap forever and ever and ever. Marvel had prompts within the story to refer to issue #blablabla of maybe the same series or some adjacent series. No.
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 had assumed knowledge from the fucking Christmas Special
It did? Couldn’t stand the Christmas Special, but it didn’t seem to have any bearing on anything.
Family Guy has assumed knowledge from everything ever made (not that I am a fan of that either, but at least it doesn’t expect a 3 hour to 80 year commitment to get the full story).
Family Guy had the appearance of assumed knowledge, but really the writers know as little about what they’re talking about as you do.
Seriously controversial take: Seth McFarlane is one of the least funny people ever to live, he just knows how to make things sound like a joke whether it’s funny or not. He’s like some weird AI that just completely and utterly lacks any understanding of what a joke is outside of intonation and timing.
Family Guy did always give me the sense of referencing a thing being the punchline in and of itself. Anyway, Cyndi Lauper 4-ever.
Just since I have a rare opportunity to talk about comics; I felt disappointed when I saw the Scott Pilgrim movie. It wasn’t a bad movie by any means, but it had to gloss over a lot of the character charm. It never turned me on like this:
I quit after the snap movie. It was literally an hour and a half of all 30 main characters meeting each other and then everyone died.
It’s not like DC is better, the last dark knight movie was really good, but don’t get me started on “we can’t fight each other, our moms had the same names”. What a waste of time.
endgame was the “best” marvel movie, everything else after was just bad, and disney is clearly grasping at straw since then. the ones with agatha were enjoyable, shes seems better at acting than scarlet witch.
Coming? I thought it already fell years ago…
…the military doesn’t come off in a good light in any of the movies that isn’t the first Cap, and even then they’re antagonistic by sidelining one of their best chances at winning due to bureaucratlcy.
the military also requests that any movie, must paint them in a postive light, if they are using some of thier equipment or even tech. thats probably why they never are seen as bad guys.
You don’t watch many movies, do you?
The latest one is the worst offender ever.
Imo, the worst shit is the multiverse shit that makes it all meaningless. If they don’t like how they told the story, they will just make up a new version and say multiverse and you are the idiot for saying that it doesn’t make sense in another way because multiverse.
An repetitive story with no meaningful content for the franchise and no interest in consistency.
I was floored at just how many MCU movies in the past ten years I didn’t know about. No fuckin wonder people are getting burnt out on it.
Not like stories without a multiverse aspect have any more meaning. If someone has an interesting story to tell but it conflicts with some other aspect of a larger storyline (but works well with the rest), why not branch it off so it can stay internally consistent with its own story and not have to worry about what some other producers thought would be cool?
It’s the people who think you’re an idiot for not following every variation or understanding which ones go together who are the assholes. They are also the idiots themselves IMO for putting so much importance on knowledge of a set of fictional universes (and I say this as a geek who loves diving in to fictional universes, I just understand not all such dives are equal and my own deeper dives don’t make me better than anyone).
I don’t care about other people. And it is not about what another producer thought.
It is literally that I can hear that a character that I liked died but I honestly don’t care because 1. I don’t care about this shit and 2. I know the character will be back.
Let me contrast it with star wars because I think it becomes pretty obvious there.
The story becomes meaningless because I know that that the whole team that created the media knew that they don’t have to care. Disney decided to reboot star wars and they are doing great job in ruining something great by been unable to commit to a plan too. But for my enjoyment of star wars legends, I can easily ignore the current canon. When something happened in legends, you had a reasonable expectation that it will stay meaningful for the rest of the franchise. Now with the badly executed reboot, at least for rn, I can assume that the people who died in those movies are dead and will stay dead. The next movie will not have magically a dead character inside because multiverse. Movie A has an impact if movies B to Z. And yes, Lucas Art fucked the Legends story up at times but guess what… That is life.
“But in the last movie [redacted] comes back to life” yes quite a disappointing writing from Disney. It reads like marvel.
“But in the clone wars, [redacted] came back to life” yes and no, imo one of the mistakes while I like the character. But importantly the character technically was never shown dead and it was a plot twist and his “death” had actually a long term impact on the events of the story, making it meaningful for the story.
Both of those characters returned in the original versions before Disney threw out the EU stuff btw. And the first one was IMO done in a satisfying way (unlike the Disney version where he’s just kinda back).
But yeah, I can see some of your points, like having to keep track of more things and not necessarily being able to use information from previous movies to inform the current one.
I am aware of what you say but again, the first ones’ “death” was impactful for the story at least.
I can’t stand the multiverse write off, even “what if” (which I personally loved at first) started to suffer with the whole strange being the bbeg arc.
Multiverse is just the gg ez way to do a reboot with even less effort lol
Even less effort than what? They just released a superman movie that didn’t have anything to do with previous superman movies. Isn’t that the easiest way to do a reboot? How is shoehorning in a multiverse easier?
This is how I feel about comic book stories in general. Due to the nature of the medium, they have to constantly come up with new stories with the same set of characters to keep it fresh…eventually the well runs dry.
Seriously! It’s almost as if movies were never meant to be bottomless well of cash for wealthy investors, but rather some kind of “art” that takes time and special knowledge and genuine care from an “artist…”
Ah, there I go again.
That’s why there were so many characters. New characters were invented. New crossovers. New story arcs.
Apparently, the new vision is to use the Multiverse explanation in order to bring all of the characters into one single timeline. So, apparently, Marvel has become quite aware of your issues, as the new studio head feels the same way. They’re doing what they can to address it, FWIW
They’re doing a Battleworld, the comic event where Doom kidnaps Franklin Richards, and the molecule man, in order to temporarily erase the multiverse.
The end of that particular comic storyline justified the end of the Ultimates universe, while allowing Miles Morales to join the main marvel universe.
Nothing else changed. Because the first law of comics is that nothing ever changes. Not really.
Movies on the other hand, have a problem. Actors age out of roles, so you should be changing the world with each movie… Marvel isn’t doing that.
Actors age out of roles, so you should be changing the world with each movie…
Counterpoint: James Bond has been chugging along for sixty years. Some are better than others, but the basic outline is the same for almost every Bond movie, and it’s still a prestige franchise.
Except for a select few movies, there’s no continuity in the James Bond franchise.
Marvel wanted a sandbox to play in with established and maintained continuity, that’s what a cinematic universe is. The main problem is that they’re not following up on the continuity, or rather not letting the world actually change.
justified the end of the Ultimates universe
Ah, I really liked the ultimates universe because it did make a whole new start that I could jump into, compared to the decades of comics earlier. Plus they were pretty free about killing some characters off. I loved cyclops deciding to
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because it felt like the characters had room to grow, fuck up, and change… like they could act in ways that didn’t need to preserve the status quo.
It was a wonderful experiment. And it showed what you can do with tight continuity control… But it was a bit too grimdark. Heroes need to be allowed to act like heroes, even when it’s hard.
The Ultimates universe felt like all the big names were slowly drifting towards evil.
I think my love for it came from the spiderman comic. Peter was great in the ultimate universe (and was the only comic I read through the entirety of). And yeah, grimdark is probably the right fit for it.
It’s an infinite Deux Ex Machina
For me it’s the juvenile plot and vapid dialogue. But sure, the retconning too.
Every movie will be ai slop soon enough anyway. Better not to watch it.
Not to mention that every single movie has the same plot. But more meta each time
Wait. Wait. Wait. This one has a black guy as the protagonist. How about a woman. What if they are all alians. Or hear me out. All ultra wealthy?
That aspect would be perfectly alright if the plots were good.
What if one wore his pants inside out?
First scene reveals the Villain
No, that’s Columbo.
I’m trying to remember if Marvel likes the US military. Aren’t they always turning out to be secretly controlled by HYDRA or something? I also seem to recall that Iron Man decided he couldn’t trust them with weapons and invented his suit so that he could do all of his killing personally.
Early on up until the first Avengers they were, but that movie strained the relationship due to how much the DoD wanted to meddle in the production. They didn’t like the helicarriers due to realism, for example. And you can see shit like F-35’s on the flight deck, national guard doing their thing during the invasion, Captain America straight up using an M4, things like that.
After that movie, the influence the DoD had was much more subtle if it was there at all.
After that movie, the influence the DoD had was much more subtle if it was there at all.
Their involvement is blatant. They literally have a near century long intimate relationship with Hollywood as a well established recruitment tactic. It’s hardly a secret.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–entertainment_complex
https://www.military.com/undertheradar/2018/03/22/how-why-defense-department-works-hollywood.html
Damn didn’t realize they were involved in every single film made by Hollywood. Really explains a lot about Finding Nemo
“P. Sherman 42 Wallaby Way” are actually the nuclear launch codes
That totally explains why i thought about the military after watching dude, wheres my car?
They go and stand in front of a mirror? I don’t get it.
I kind of feel like if a meme image needs an explanation it’s probably failed.
They reflect.
What have I been watching all this time?Ngl i just thought he looked bummed
I don’t want to watch anything for three hours TBH. 95 minutes is the optimal run time for a film. FITE ME.
I make an exception for LotR extended.
I’d rather hammer nails through my dick!
Then do so to curtail the spread of your heresy to future generations.
You have my hammer.
If your worthy you can have it back.
I’d also rather hammer nails through this guy’s dick!
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Calm down, Loki.
I’m in. I got a hammer and nails already out for a project. Let’s run it.
😂
I think 2h is optimal. Not too long, but can still fit a proper story with enough time for development.
90 minutes is enough for children/family moviesI was being a bit edgy with 95, it’s basically the minimum. Even in animation, if you have a bit of a complex structure with a plot twist, you end up well over 100.
For example, the Incredibles, with an unorthodox five act structure, clocks in at a very briskly paced 115.
The trouble with superhero movies is that I can just feel myself spacing out during the filler-laden action scenes. Within every 3hr long marvel film is a much better paced 125 minute film just trying to get out.
Children/family movies can also have plenty of story and development. Case in point: Inside Out, runtime 1h 35m.
Inside Out is kinda forced through though. It ought to have been 2 hours.
I don’t feel the same way, but I’m interested in why you think that!
If they actually had to flesh out all the ideas in the movie, it would have been much longer.
It’s the same in most of these animated films. The ideas only touch the surface, and instead of developing the ideas deeper, or allowing the audience to contemplate the ideas before revealing the movie’s take on it, they simply jump around topics and throw more and more sub plots into the film to make it last 90 minutes.
I think they do it to keep the attention of the audience and to embrace as many potential types of people as possible. However, in my opinion it mostly seems like the writers have an attention disorder.
They were worried too much about accidentally including any lesbian subtext. Any more run time and they’d have to make Riley gay.
That was the sequel, not the original.
I do personally enjoy a long film if it’s doing something good with the run time. Oppenheimer was a solid one recently, even with it being so long it was still densely-packed and I don’t think it would have been improved by being shortened. That said, I think two hours is roughly my default sweet spot. The further over that you go, the better you’re going to have to be to persuade me. I’m ready to be persuaded but it needs to be something
Yeah, my brain has been rotted by short form media too.
This seems like a good time to mention that fucking Casablanca has a running time of 102 minutes. For most of the history of Hollywood 100-120 minute running times have been the norm.
Gigantic runtimes are a feature of depression era economics, the 1930s and now.
100%.
Commando, the greatest movie ever made, is 90 minutes long.
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and Deadpool & Wolverine were good. Nothing since then has looked interesting.
Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four were both really good. Actually, I thought Ironheart was really good too.
It really feels like every other movie since Endgame has been really good or really bad.
Ant-Man 3, The Marvels, and Captain America 4 were various degrees of not good.
Echo and Secret Invasion weren’t good either (actually, I think overall the shows have had a better track record overall).
Thunderbolts was a great made-for-tv movie.
Fantastic Four is good? I’ll have to see it at some point, then. Those poor characters have never managed to be in a good movie before now, so I kinda forgot there was a new MCU one.
It’s pretty much the perfect Fantastic Four movie. They’re actually characters in this one instead of caricatures of their main personality traits.
And it’s lighter on action and heavier on the story. Without giving away too much, it feels a lot more appropriate for the characters.
the og ones, that were pre-disney were better than the current FF4, better actors too. although it was alsoa bad movie.
With Ironheart, the show is okay, but there’s just no way to make the main character work. Unless they transition the character to be a villain.
I agree. I haven’t seen Thunderbolts yet, but I just saw Fantastic Four last night and thought it was actually really good compared to a lot of the other recent Marvel movies. Even the ones I liked all felt like they had the same script more or less, but this one it seemed like they went for less action and easy jokes and just focused on the characters and the story. I liked it a lot.
i think people liked the GHOST characther more than the movie.
I found Deadpool & Wolverene supremely painful. Matter of taste I suppose. Haven’t seen any other dress-up movies in a while.
seemed alot more cringey than the last 2 deadpools, more personal stories. and they fell for the multi-versal slop.
Haven’t seen any other dress-up movies in a while.
Isn’t every movie a dress-up movie?
Maybe not certain porn.
Well, the birthday suit is given quite a bit of wear, in those.
Technically, I guess that’s true.
What did you find painful about it? While I dont think it was historic level cinema, I fid find it entertaining.
Not OP but personally the plot was a monumental example of wasted potential with regards to the plot. The villain’s motivations being the poorest.
Even then, fight scenes between basically immortal self-healing characters are a snoozefest. Add that to the imo hit-but-mostly-miss humour and you’re just waiting for the credits to roll really.
I honestly think I’d rather watch Eternals, and that was pretty bad too.
I mean… The fight between Deadpool and Wolverine was basically just a giant sex scene.
Are you going to name something you like so we can shit all over your tastes, or just point at things you hate like a coward? One might say, and I will, that you’re dumb if you go into a movie like Deadpool and Wolverine looking for a cinematic masterpiece rather than fan service and violence.
I don’t mind a good bit of fanservice and violence, but that’s also kind of why I felt D&W was a bit disappointing. The fanservice was kinda mediocre as a lot of characters were just “mentioned” rather than properly explored, and as I said violence between unkillable characters is kinda dull. I have enjoyed a lot of the other Marvel movies though, most of them even (and that includes stuff like Age of Ultron and Iron Man 3 that a lot of people seem to like shitting on). Non-Marvel I quite liked the Dungeons & Dragons movie, I thoroughly enjoyed that one. It’s not a cinematic masterpiece or anything, but the characters are likable and have some depth and development, there’s a decent plot going on and there’s enough fanservice for DnD fans to go around.
No need to get so defensive if someone doesn’t like something you like.
I definitely agree with you that DnD was legit, it deserved far more attention than it got, and not just for the writing and performances.
You can call that defensiveness if you like; I think that downplays the intent of pointing out the constant barrage of painfully biased internet whiners regarding anything comic book related at play culturally, but I’d argue there’s an objective measure that’s unfair in your criticism. In D&W the interpersonal violence is an extension of emotional processing, and an expression of who the characters are, and also why they are uniquely suited to help each other heal in ways their powers can’t help with. Basically, violence is all they know and how they both solve all their problems, and being unkillable gives an opportunity to work out other traumas without they typical consequence of ending people who would want to help. But yeah of course there’s an element of bias at play for all of us, and flaws in every movie to varying degrees.
Lol simmer down, bud. You didn’t make the movie; you just liked it. No need to take it personally
bud
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I think I responded to the wrong person initially, but can I ask why saying “bud” is bad?
There is a significant difference between something being entertaining to watch in the moment, and it being good.
I watched D&W in theaters with my boyfriend. Had a deadpool themed margarita. Had an excellent time, highly recommend.
Hours after leaving the theater, I started actually thinking about the movie. The more I thought about it the more I decided that it actually wasn’t very good. At the time, I had a detailed list of complaints. I’ve forgotten the details since then.
The broad strokes though, it’s insulting.
D&W actively disregards and insults established MCU canon. They had a chance to expand the lore, instead they shat on it.
The best moments in the movie could be described as “HEY! HERE’S THAT THING YOU LIKE!!! YOU LIKE THIS RIGHT?!?! LIKE THIS!!!” Which is the most disrespectful kind of reference you can do, as it’s insulting to the media and even more so to the audience.
Ryan Renolds has a writing credit for this movie, and he has demonstrated that he fundamentally does not understand the metaphysics of marvel comics. Therefore, his commentary on the state of the MCU can fuck off. Sure, the later MCU movies had a lot of problems, but I can tell that myself, I have the power of media literacy on my side, so I can tell when the pot is calling the kettle black.
If I were willing to actually put effort into it, I could come up with actual examples to go with my complaints, but I don’t feel like watching the movie again any time soon.
If Deadpool wasn’t shitting on canon, it wouldn’t be Deadpool.
Did you like the first 2 Deadpool movies? If so, what was worse about this one?
the first 2 was definitely better, as its more isolated and stand alone.
It was lazy, it just did the same as before without adding anything new. It felt like watching the first one on repeat, sped up.
Huh, I think that just wrong. The character of Deadpool is still him, which would be strange to change, but I think alot of it was unexplored before and an interesting contribution to the Loki storyverse. Also Hugh Jackman did a great job reprising the role of wolverine.
Deadpool is a meta character, but despite that (or because of it?) I think it’s a fresh take on the state of the MCU each time, taking pot shots at the existing formula from within it.
Different person. But I thought the first two were genuinely good movies.
The third felt like an excuse for cameos and jokes. It was entertaining, but not necessarily good.
Are we pretending this is Marvel thing exclusively and not an ALL superheros thing? Lazy slop memes, aren’t going to stop lazy slop movies. Do better.
The Boys break away from that.
And that “do better” bs is pretty fucking condescending for someone implying that memes on lemmy might affect the shit hollywood spews out, if only they were less lazy and sloppy.
It’s high time we reintroduce the intermission… in the third dimension.
I saw Interstellar in a classy New Zealand theater that gave creatively-cooked meals during an intermission. I feel like that would be a well-appreciated change of pace for a lot of people.
Did they just serve 5 types of corn-based foods, y’know, for immersion?
Brutalist having an intermission was so nice and made me realize how much I’d love more movies to have this. Sadly I don’t think we’ll see this being done more as that little extra time probably cuts into the amount of showings you can do in a day.
Marvel haters on their way to pick a random negative viewpoint and assign it to the movies regardless of whether it applies
