e.g. Video games, Movies, TV, Anime, etc…
Can you learn truths from fiction? Can you feel sad at a happy memory? Can you long for a person who wronged you? Can a good point he made by a bad person? Why does the source matter?
Happiness is weird and different for each culture. If you have time I do recommend this Ted talk about the science of happiness.
If you feel happy while reading or fishing in a creek or risking your life free climbing - those things are all valid. Tho the last one in my mind isn’t really sane and 100% healthy mind.
The only thing is not acceptable is when some twisted people get joy from others suffering. But technically speaking their happiness is real - even if they are not fit to be part of society.
Does fake happiness even exist?
If you are happy you are happy.
It would be different to discuss if it would be long term sustainable.
Are you assuming delusions can’t make one happy?
Happiness is literally the result of chemical reactions in the brain. If you’re feeling happy, it’s real.
You’re running into problems because you’re conflating the feeling of happiness with the things that make you feel happy.
There’s no such thing as “true happiness” or “false happiness”.
The things that make people happy rarely have objective value, and everything comes with some kind of cost, even if it’s just time.
The happiness drug users feel is real, but the cost (money/time/health) can be significant. The happiness that you feel from playing games or reading books is real, and the cost (money/time) is less, but still there.
Happiness is always real - just be mindful of the cost!
It’s delusional to be happy because you believe the story is real. It’s not delusional to be happy because the story is happy.
Example: ”We’re so lucky the super heroes saved the world. Imagine what would happen to us if they didn’t”
Humans have always understood our experience through stories and myths. Literally every civilization throughout history has them. It’s the people who refuse to consume any fiction that I don’t understand. Even when a story is entirely fictional, surely there is still meaning in metaphor and juxtaposition and human understanding to be found.
Allow me a question about your premise: If there is such a thing as true happiness, what is false happiness then?
imo, false happiness is something that takes more than it gives. So drugs is good example, maybe they make you feel good but eventually they stop doing that and start taking from you.
They come with a high cost, sure. But this applies to a lot of other things as well (like MTG cards or rescuing animals or learning how play drums really good etc).
with mtg cards, they drain your money so that kind of works too. But rescuing animals or learning something doesnt apply here because it doesnt take anything from you (unless you are kind of insane). Or rather they dont cost too much in terms of invaluable resources like your mental or physical health, just your time which you have to give to everything anyway. Stuff like drugs diminish you being able to enjoy other things and drain your health and relationships. Even if you keep those under control, it still takes something from you, just a bit less.
Though anything can become an addiction too, but if positive things become that then you might have other underlying issues rather than those things themselves causing it.
But none of this matter for the time you were happy.
Another approach: Let’s say you make it up to the age of 80 and then you die. You spend 78 years without love - not loving someone, not being loved by someone. But for two years you loved and were loved. Would this mean that this love was not true love just because it wasn’t “balanced” enough?
Usually people regard using drugs as false happiness. Or like having a parasocial relationship with a famous person.
You can either steal a premade chocolate cake or you can bake one yourself. Neither turns the chocolate cake into a true or false one. It’s still only a chocolate cake.
I think the concept of “false happiness” is given by the ends result of such behavior. Doing fruits gives you a high, but also addiction, so in the long run it’s bad for you. Having a fake relationship does not allow you to develop a real one, thus being a negative over time. True happiness is something that should make you happy in the moment and in the long run.
For this reason, media is true happiness.
I wad happy reading the lord of the rings and I’m happy I read it. The happiness reading produced has kept being a source of additional happiness. I remember Bilbo’s songs, and think about them when I take a walk. I remember small little details, or big plot points, and I’m happy to remember them. Same can be said about films and video games (I am just less passionate about them, but that’s just me)
True happiness is something that should make you happy in the moment and in the long run.
I’m not sure I agree - why is a long term aspect necessarily for something to constitute true happiness?
If I can’t remember something, does that mean it didn’t make me “truly happy”?
If so, that would mean that a child given a toy they play with for years but eventually lose interest in and forget as they grow older, didn’t experience “true happiness” from that toy, which doesn’t seem right to me.
I don’t think permanence or longevity are factors in whether ones happiness is true or not.
Good point!
Other hypotheses: we say “true happiness” when it’s sustainable (for a bit) without obvious negative effects. Thus drugs are stereotypically not sustainable and with negative effects, so they are not true happiness [obviously many would disagree, e.g. Baudelaire] and finding true love is true happiness. Thus, stories are also true happiness.
If our feelings are formed by chemicals and waves in the brain, then what would be false about happiness from those sources? Is it actually false happiness, or is it possibly just happiness derived from stigmatized/alternative sources?
Well we hallucinate an experience made from nerve bursts so everything is sort of an illusion for us IMO.
Reading a story that brings happiness is real happiness.
Most often, when I finish a good book, usually one that has altered my world view, or changed some aspect of thinking, is profound, absolutely can even bring joy. The sustained feelings from the thoughts that came from the media are real. If they are happy and joyful thoughts they are real, if they are negative, the emotion is real.
To be delusional in this aspect, you’d have to see the peice of fiction as real life, as in, you may meet the fictional character one day so you are happy at that chance to meet them.
Happiness is a release of chemicals to receptors in your brain. If doing something makes you happy, then it makes you happy.
Does using drugs count as true happiness then? Why doesn’t everyone just use drugs to be happy forever?
Well yes, that’s why people do drugs.
Usually doing it forever runs up against other problems like paying for it, holding down a job or health problems
Why else would people use drugs? The problem is that the side effects from drugs tend to increase unhappiness when you’re not on them.
Yes, all happiness is a release of chemicals in our brain. Dopamine from memes, oxytocin from petting a dog or a good hug, tryptophan from a good meal, endorphins from an intense workout, all are not much different from heroine and are addictive, just not as intense and without extreme physical side effects.
drugs only make you feel happy when you first start, eventually you use them to not feel bad
also when you have a heart attack and almost die and are crippled for life: that’s sad
basically, they only work temporarily and overall makes shit worsedeleted by creator
Why are you not shooting up heroin right now?
You make a good point. I now know what I’m doing today!
This sounds like a question for your pastor
Lmao
But the thing is, religious people seem to be miserable in their delusions, I’m not even sure what the point of religion is, if they are just gonna be afraid of hell all the time.
Perhaps remind them that there is no actual ‘hell’ in the bible. It’s a lake of fire.
I would think that delusion and happiness are not mutually exclusive. Even if that happiness you’re asking about is a delusion, the persons happiness is still happiness
I remember being young and trying to over analyze this stuff as if it’ll give me something. Meanwhile my brother was chugging beers on a golf course. It’s a good feeling to stop at times and just fucking live. The worst thing is when you start these questions, watch some documentary and read a couple books. Then 8 years later you find those were all bullshit Michael Moore type creations and everything you built your belief on for a decade was nonsense
depends how you are enjoying them. If you are delusional and think the stories are real or something, I guess its just that its pretty fragile happiness which might cause harm to maintain it. If you are just enjoying the experiencing those stories then there is nothing negative in that. Ultimately its about how much good does something bring to your life.
Who cares about how it looks to others, unless you are causing harm.
