Ring footage shows an agent pulling his gun on her, after which he shoves her down multiple times, pushes her back into house & slams the door.
All because she was asking for proof of a warrant. They refused to even give their names & badge numbers.
I’m not understanding how somebody in a mask who isn’t presenting a badge can brandish a gun and shove somebody on their property without themselves being shot.
yeah. still waiting on the 2A crowd to enforce their anti tyranny claims.
Ice are the 2A crowd
This is why the left needs to get armed. You disarmed yourself while the right wing continued to buy arms and now your “surprise Pikachu face” that the right is not stopping this…what logic are you trying to lay here?
The left is armed. Lots of us own firearms; we’re just quiet about it because we don’t make guns our whole identity because we’re not fragile man children.
Trust me, right now there is not an appetite for violence. If things keep getting worse sooner or later we will hear more about ICE getting killed. Probably in a year or less since they’re expanding the American Gestapo.
It’s not that people relied on the right to fight anything - it’s more the fact that none of these manlyman hero “good guys with a gun” ever step up.
The whole point of the criticism of 2A is that every single argument for it is bullshit with no basis in the real world.The whole point of the criticism of 2A is that every single argument for it is bullshit with no basis in the real world.
You…you mean other than right now? When the gestapo are growing rapidly and straight up kidnapping people? Right now is the entire argument for it.
This comment is the shit I’m literally talking about. I’m assuming you’re on the left and you see shit like this daily, and probably say fascist are running the show and you still stick your head in the sand.
Notice how no civil war is breaking out.
Notice how nobody wants to start a shootout with armed forces?
Notice how the only real world impact of civvies arming themselves is more civvies die?I’m from a country with sensible gun laws and no gestapo snatching people off the streets. yet we still take to the streets in protest of a far right party blasting past constitutional lines - they’re currently under investigation and potentially to be banned in the future.
All without posturing as armed defenders of democracy watching it’s downfall from the sidelines.
Notice how no civil war is breaking out.
The fuck are you on about? Civil wars happen regardless of the population being armed or not. See Myanmar.
Notice how nobody wants to start a shootout with armed forces?
Who is nobody? Cause in the states it’s getting that way soon.
Notice how the only real world impact of civvies arming themselves is more civvies die?
That’s not how that works at all.
I’m from a country with sensible gun laws and no gestapo snatching people off the streets.
Uhh ok? So why the fuck do you give a shit about what happens here in the states? You don’t know the dynamics here at all, and just see what you are fed by your local news.
yet we still take to the streets in protest of a far right party blasting past constitutional lines
Cool, we’re trying to do that as well…
they’re currently under investigation and potentially to be banned in the future.
Ok let me know how that goes… assuming you actually post where you’re from
All without posturing as armed defenders of democracy watching it’s downfall from the sidelines.
Again…the left isn’t armed like the right is. The right wing wants the crap that’s happening here. You’re not making any sense at all.
The fuck are you on about? Civil wars happen regardless of the population being armed or not. See Myanmar.
is this a strawman or just intentionally obtuse?
Cause in the states it’s getting that way soon.
sure, maybe. probably not, but maybe.
That’s not how that works at all.
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and just see what you are fed by your local news.
aaahh there we go, conspiratorial anti “the media” shit that i usually expect from the good ol 2A crowd.
He refused to identify himself and then assaulted the resident. Why is the news calling him an “agent?” These guys don’t have badges, don’t wear uniforms, drive in unmarked vans and wear masks. They don’t know WTF they are.
Looks to me like a group of kidnappers.
How much longer before one of these becomes an outright gun battle? Or some dude screaming “show me a warrant!!” while holding an AR15. I want someone to make these ICE fuckers scared to do this.
I want this clear. I.C.E has no jurisdiction when it comes to citizens. One shows up at your house tell em to fuck off and call a lawyer.
DO NOT COMPLY
When they force their way into your home, shoot them dead.
And then RIP, because they’re gonna make your house look like Swiss cheese with all their return fire.
Youre gonna end up RIP anyways.
Within 100 miles of the border or coast, your rights are way less.
You’re gonna end up detained no matter what you do if they want to detain you. And they’ve already disappeared plenty of people without due process.
Conveniently they count every international airport as a border, so this covers almost the entirety of the country.
This isnnt about rights. It’s about jurisdiction. Even 100 miles away or on the border. I.c.e has no jurisdiction over American citizens. Full stop
luckily fascists are known to respect boundaries
SC has stand your ground. Wouldn’t brandishing a weapon basically green light you for using proportional force to stop an illegal act?
Even better, id be interested to see what happens in a state with castle doctrine.
If you haven’t figured it out yet, all of the big talk, 2A fans are the biggest pussies out there.
If any of them were legit, we’d have dead ICE agents by now.
The 2A crowd are the ICE agents
If not GeStaPo, why GeStaPo shape?
This country is falling apart all so a bunch of racist conservatives can feel like they got revenge for Hollywood teasing them. The pain most conservatives will feel from the Republican policies will be brutal, but at least they get to inflict pain on their perceived enemies. What a silly fucking country.
I also think it’s pent up rage because a black man was president. These racists will literally never let that go or accept it.
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Still seems like a lot of info is missing, but from the linked article:
Arce has been working toward legal citizenship
The event is fucked up (I assume—there is no info about anything causing him to be targeted specifically, but he has teenage children, obviously he’s been in the US for some time now), but at least, based on this, “legal immigrant” in your title is not accurate.
It’s important to be honest and accurate, or you make it easier to be dismissed by opponents.
Edit: It’s hard to find more information, but apparently he immigrated illegally in 2004, and ignored a deportation order from 2005 (so, has been in the country illegally for over 20 years). If that’s true, then yeah, “legal immigrant” in the title is a straight-up lie.
It says right there in the article that he “grew up in South Carolina”. Another source says his visa papers were taken away years ago and he’s been trying to get them back ever since – hence the “working towards legal citizenship”
It says right there in the article that he “grew up in South Carolina”.
Assuming it’s true that he did, that does not, at all, contradict/refute him being an illegal immigrant.
Another source says his visa papers were taken away years ago and he’s been trying to get them back ever since – hence the “working towards legal citizenship”
That’s not a “source”, that’s the quoted claim of his girlfriend:
Celeste Hernandez, his significant other, said that…Arce has been in the process of getting his visa papers back after getting them taken away years ago.
There has been no verification of this claim’s accuracy, and she is the furthest thing from an objective third party. Calling her a “source” is disingenuous as fuck, and I have a feeling you know that.
Not to mention, “working towards legal citizenship” very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn’t it say something like he was working toward ‘regaining’ citizenship, or mention that he ‘lost’ citizenship?
It says right there in the article that he “grew up in South Carolina”.
How long have you worked for Trump?
Not to mention, “working towards legal citizenship” very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn’t it say something like he was working toward ‘regaining’ citizenship, or mention that he ‘lost’ citizenship?
You know there are hundreds of thousands of permanent residents in the US who are not legal citizens but may or may not be working towards said legal citizenship, right? “Legal immigrant” doesn’t automatically translate to “citizen”.
The 2005 deportation order, issued one year after his arrival in the US, makes me think that, somehow, he might not have been a lawful permanent resident.
P.S. No admission of the deceit in acting like his girlfriend’s claim was a journalistic source of information, I see.
I hope you applied this same level of rigor to your analysis of the reports of Haitian immigrants in Ohio eating cats and dogs.
Edit: The rapidly applied downvote without other comment suggests to me that perhaps you did not.
Down votes on aggregate are based on emotions not logic.
So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE (which conveniently we do not even have) over a published article? Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?
So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE
Skepticism of one account does not amount to endorsement of another.
Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?
I don’t think there’s sufficient justification to assume fully on either side, but the fact is that because it’s the popular position, people are happy to take the side against ICE regardless of the circumstances, which is why this post exists in the first place.
All I did was point out said lack of justification on that side, and try to find more information about a situation the linked article obviously wasn’t giving the whole picture for.
No emotional response from me (though plenty of people here project their emotional response onto me, since they can’t fathom someone not eagerly believing whatever benefits their narrative without scrutiny, and so the slightest bit of scrutiny/skepticism of an event they’ve attached their narrative to instantly becomes the assumption ‘you’re a foot soldier for the Bad/Other Guys!’).
That’s how objectivity works, despite your sarcastic implication otherwise.
