Must be nice to be of the ownership/wealthy classes and be able to move away from the fascists during their rise to power. The rest of us will have to do our best to remember our own humanity while we watch people become nazis and trade their humanity away before the leopards eat their faces.
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Ironically, our king has incredibly limited power that is enforced by a strong belief that religion should be separate from politics and an independent judiciary. Your king doesn’t seem to have the same hurdles
Yeah the Constitution has deep abiding flaws the fuck do you want me to do, vote? I’ve voted for 20yrs now
I still think monarchy is trash and this argument sucks. Im gonna keep working toward something better.
Oh 100%, I’m a republican (lowercase R, in the British sense). I just find it ironic that the US portrays itself as having removed monarchy, when it was just replaced with dictator that has a term limit
Dont get too high on your horse, the UK is just as fucked as the US is.
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For now, yeah. I mean there is no such place as a safe or “good” nation. Every one of them will hold you at gunpoint demanding money so they can build a library.
But actively and swiftly the US is going full nazi. If one leaves I don’t blame them.
For now, yeah. I mean there is no such place as a safe or “good” nation. Every one of them will hold you at gunpoint demanding money so they can build a library.
I’m not sure where the “gunpoint” part came from, but do you…not like libraries?
hahahah I love libraries. It’s a “reductio ad absurdum” that shows how a lack of tax payment will, eventually, result in a state destroying your everything, and when cops show up, it’s always at gunpoint. (at least in the US)
Before you get to thinking I’m a libertarian, recall I mentioned all nation states are bad.
recall I mentioned all nation states are bad.
I’m not sure what you’re advocating for instead of nations. Roving bands of nomads?
I mean … yes. (syndicalism) But this isn’t the thread for that.
Who is paying for libraries under your preferred system?
Syndacalism isn’t roving bands of nomads.
| I mean there is no such place as a safe or “good” nation.
you must not know many countries then or your definition of a good country must be weird.
name me one without a history of war, slavery, genocide, or colonialism. bonus points if its entire history has allowed gay people to exist.
so if a country has ever been bad in its history, it’s automatically also bad now? so, as i suspected your definition of a good country is weird.
there are no good nation states. and to your first question: correct.
Is there any human society that doesn’t have a history that can be traced back far enough to find war or violence?
Yup fuck these richies that flee with their money they made from being the spokespersons of the minority class they represent. They should stay and help fund the resistance but instead they say FYIGM.
I’ve seen a lot of comments on the Fediverse about people who have moved or aspire to move from red states to blue states. I hope they get the same level of vitriol in the future, just to keep things consistent.
if they are mega-millionaires and make it known, then absolutely they will. You might take notice how the average scholars, MD’s, and PHD’s that are also fleeing aren’t getting such hate.
You hope my wife and I get the same level of vitriol because we want to move to a state that won’t condemn her to death in the, likely for my wife, event that there are complications during a pregnancy???
I hope you have the day you wish upon others.
It was sarcasm. Commenter was quick to judge others for leaving an unfavorable environment instead of staying to fight. The reality is not everyone wants to put themselves and their families in danger for the cause.
For real, especially with kids. They didn’t do anything to deserve it. Nor did kids with poorer parents but if your argument is that everyone needs to suffer together, that’s not a convincing one.
False equivalence.
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ellen is also a terrible person behind scenes of her show.
Former moderator FlyingSquid moved to the UK from the US to protect a transgender child. I hadn’t thought about it before now, but he must be part of the Ownership class.
two things can be true at the same time. some of us can afford it. some of us can’t.
ellen certainly can. ellen is not working class.
Her money came from working, not ownership, inheritance, or management. She’s rich, but still working class.Correction: Between the record company and “ED by Ellen” brand, she’s been a member of the capitalist class since at least 2010
yes. but even rich artists become owner class when they transition to having staff they hold the hiring/firing power over. it’s not about the amount of money so much as it is the methods by which it is acquired. (im not disagreeing with your reply)
From what little interaction I had with FlyingSquid, it seemed like his family was very working class and the move to the UK took a lot of sacrifice.
Ellen on the other hand has a net worth in the hundreds of millions and thus was never in any real danger in the US because of her sexuality.
oh, wow. I thought they were still in Terre Haute. Good for them, though I don’t understand what’s so attractive about the U.K.
Most people go where they have an opportunity. Either they have citizenship already or a pathway (like a parent) to it.
Although being stupid rich will get you access just about anywhere.
He had enough British ancestry that he was able to get a citizenship (or already had dual citizenship? I dunno). Think that was the only reason for choosing the UK in particular over any other European country.
“I look forward to verbally abusing my new British friends,” she continued.
Don’t forget firing employees for refusing to cross picket lines…
Ellen is a piece of shit billionaire that wants applause for existing. She’s the same as musk or even trump.
Ellen is a billionaire?
I just googled it, and it’s estimated at 500 million.
So closer to a billionaire than a millionaire, without factoring in the hidden wealth because at that level tax evasion is normal.
Wasn’t her show (and her probably) cancelled in the states after she was accused of bullying, and then accused her accusers of being misogynistic? I doubt Trump has anything to do with her new fame seeking agenda.
Yes.
What’s she scared of, being offered a cabinet position?
Seriously, who cares about Ellen moving?
I do. Because I have LGBTQ friends. Who feel forgotten and in danger.
How did your friends feel when she was pallin’ around with George Bush?
She’s as much a queer person as Oprah is a person of color. The rich are their own nation, and they don’t give a shit about you or your friends.
Saying they’re their own nation does how bad they are a disservice. These people have no creed, nation, or culture they disregard all of that for power a prime example of which being rich cunts who go to Dubai and rich Arabs who come to the West and act more debaucherous than a French aristocrat. To them creed, nation, and culture is simply a tool.
What the fuck was Ellen doing for them when she lived in the US?
My dyslexic brain saw “Elon” and I got very confused by this comment at first.
That’s sad, don’t think about that loser
actually. I rarely ever do. I just tell my one friend that thinks he’s a saint. That he needs to go in for cult deprogramming.
The less we identify with the rich, the better.
I mean. I care about anyone. Who feels like they will be targeted. By any dictator.
She’s a garbage human. Glad she can afford to do that, even though the majority of the rest of us Americans can’t. Bravo.
I’m a Brit and outta the loop here. what’d she do?
Treated her staff exceptionally poorly
Adopted a dog that she then gave to family which she was legally not allowed to, and went on her show to shame the shelter she got it from. She sucks.
See this is why she moved. Brits don’t know what a cunt she is. It’s like Jeremy Corbyn reversed lol
Honestly, this is one of the least objectionable things Ellen has done. If I had the means, I’d probably be exploring my options to leave this place too.
Probably not to Britain though. They’re on the same track we are.
Same with Canada. So where to?
The whole Anglosphere is pretty fucked thanks to Rupert Murdoch and easy cultural exchange. I’m not super up-to-date on European politics but I haven’t heard anything bad about Finland lately.
Finland seems like a great country. But it’s right next to Russia, and things aren’t looking too good there.
They’ve basically closed the border, and they’re in NATO, so I wouldn’t be too worried.
Good to know that. If we move countries, we’re thinking of moving a bit permanently, so it needs to be stable for at least a few decades. It’s hard to predict things in this current climate. And every time you move you lose a lot of your assets and your social circle is reset, so it’s stressful.
Finland is great… but they had lots of crazy Nazis in parliament and the highest unemployment rate in the EU (around 10%), on par with Spain and Sweden
Spain?
I hear the rain falls mainly on the plain there.
My wife is from S. Africa, if we had the ability to pick and move to S. Africa and settle our family we’d have been gone yesterday.
Wait, you want to move to South Africa?
Yes, is that confusing to you?
Why would want to move a country that’s worse in every capacity?
Sorry Britain.
You guys took James Corden off our hands for years, seems only fair.
Something seems off about him that I just can’t seem to put into words, so I’ve never wanted to watch any of his shows.
nah, she moved because of the DIDDY trials, she announced it last year the moment, he was charged, so people are suspected shes involved in the circle someway, that we dont have info on yet.
miley kunis and asthon moved to europe because of shilling for masterson/pedophelia, same sht.
US and UK have extradition treaty, so I assume there are more to it than that.
wait where did Kunis and Kutcher get involved in pedophilia? Masterson was convicted for rape.
They wrote letters vouching for his character before the sentencing. Not a great look, but I wouldn’t exactly call it “involvement” either.
Als,o like you said, I’m pretty sure everyone Masterson raped was at least an adult.
they are part of church of scientology, remember all that spiel they did, trying to convince the judge to go easy on Masterson. and then when all the criticism started piling up, they said they were moving to europe.
ashton kutcher himself, his org actually harms women more than against trafficking. so they both were shilling for them.
Sounds like a desperate plea for attention.
Fuck you think the conservatives over there are better? Same shit different paint. Royal pedophiles.
I mean, only one is selling concentration camp merch so…
Both are supporting concentration camps in Gaza and want you to buy Israeli merch no difference?
😂 just because the Brits keep their noses high, doesn’t mean they aren’t covered in blood.
They absolutely are; I meant in the sense of personal safety. It makes a lot of sense to go to Britain to avoid being caught up in MAGA’s rampage, irrespective of the massive number of skeletons Britain has in its closet.
The UK is every bit as racist and anti-immigrant as the USA. While it’s a step UP at the moment, it’s not forever. Fascism’s grip is quickly coming for Europe—and it’s winning.
The only people in the world with a clean slate are the Palestinians. They never did nothing to nobody.
Well, Arab history is pretty bloody but no one deserves genocide.
Your point?
The US conservatives are objectively worse, but the British conservatives (and Labour) are trying their best to catch up
What makes you think she cares about that?
She’s a billionaire, she cares about what personally effects her life.
Hell, she had trump on her show before she was cancelled for being a piece of shit:
How about the fact that she herself is a survivor, so it does personally affect her life?
When a dodgy american lesbian moves to terf island, i’m gonna side eye
Weak. I’d rather hear from the people that moved to mexico or El Salvador because of Trump. People that wanted to be here to support themselves and their families and then Trump kicked them out. Those people moved “because of Trump.” Ellen moved because she wanted to and could. Also Britain is a very out of the frying pan and into the fire type of move dumbass.
She is still rich. Her life would unlikely be negatively affected, this is just bullshit virtue signaling.
shes just using this to shield her real motives of why she moved, she announced it last year right after diddy got charged.
Are the Cotswolds a particularly dangerous part of Britain?
Extremely. You could get your car vandalized for being too yellow.
8 years ago, a man’s car was keyed. There’s blood in the streets I tell you! No one is safe!?!
That’s some professional-grade entitlement.
Oh thank you Ellen for telling us that it’s so much better for you when you took off and left. Those of us lessers who didn’t have the foresite to have enough money to pick up and flee the country now know so much better.
Get fucked.
All we need is for both Trump and Ellen to move. Two less insufferable people in the USA sounds good to me. The way Ellen treated her former staff was disgusting.
A member of the mega-wealthy class is moving out of country you say? Good riddance.
Moving to TERF Island, no less.
