And regardless, how are parents that struggle to setup their email going to keep their kid from accessing porn? What would you have them do? Install a 3rd party software? Setup a local DNS filter? Prevent them from using devices that can access the internet? When it is as easy as googling “naked girl” how on earth are parents going to stop them from access it. The answer? The aren’t. There is nothing even the most diligent parent can do to stop them from accessing it while it is so readily accessible.
You haven’t demonstrated what harm comes from googling naked girl and seeing boobs.
If you want devices with parental control you will need to pay for them.
Devices like school computers already have such. This won’t stop a determined person from borrowing their friends phone and googling naked girl but that is a reasonable trade off honestly.
I don’t want to turn the entire Internet into 1984 so your kids doesn’t see boobs until he’s 18
You haven’t demonstrated what harm comes from googling naked girl and seeing boobs.
I cannot, since I am not a researcher. The research is out there though.
If you want devices with parental control you will need to pay for them.
If it is definitively negative, parents should not have to research, install, and pay for such restrictions onky to be easily avoided on another device.
I don’t want to turn the entire Internet into 1984 so your kids doesn’t see boobs until he’s 18
I don’t have kids. This about an entire generation and all future ones. Have you read 1984? While sueveillance is a part of it, it’s largely about authoritarianism and the control of reality itself. Being ID’d for a porn site is not that. 1984 is already happening, and the porn has nothing to do with it. Regardless, you have made no comment on the idea that I want it done with zero knowledge proof. The site would know nothing about you except you are over 18. There is absolutely nothing 1984 about that
Which country anywhere has ever implemented a zero knowledge proof of age rather than using a id or information trivially linkable to an id. The answer is none have none intend to and none will its a complete fabrication to cover actual reality.
The truth is out there is what people say about big foot, the flat earth, UFOs, and lizard people.
You have to pay monthly for devices that access the internet at all. It doesn’t seem unreasonable that YOU not everyone should have to pay for something that is safe for your 8 year old rather than just getting your 8 year old an Ipad and wifi. This forum isn’t safe for an 8 year old.
Regardless, you have made no comment on the idea that I want it done with zero knowledge proof.
Because there is no indication that that is ever going to happen. Either nothing with happen. A few hardcore porn sites will get age gating because they want to do legit business whilst others hosted in other countries will do nothing ensuring your teen still finds boobs when he searches OR we will go full on 1984 and this will mostly be used to suppress the entire free and open internet in the US.
Your fantasy that this will be done safely is just an indication that you are stupid.
The privacy-preserving promise of this “double blind” method has inspired various countries to further explore and develop ZKP-based age verification solutions. In the European Union (EU), a ZKP age verification protocol is being developed as part of a European-wide EU Digital Identity (EUID) framework. However, some organizations have pushed back against linking age verification tools to digital identity solutions, citing concerns over potential misuse and user privacy. While the EUID solution is set to be released by the end of 2026, the EU launched an interim age verification app in the meantime.
Right now, yes. But this is all still very new. There was a point in time where all internet traffic was HTTP. Would you have called me stupid for suggesting internet traffic would be encrypted in the future? My point is research is being done, and it can be done securely. If it can be done securely, it seems most arguments against it would no longer be applicable. There would still be the issue of convenience, but this whole 1984 idea would not apply here. There are so many other area’s that are more concerning as far as ideas that 1984 goes. The current US government is constantly denying reality and manipulating history. Controlling harmful internet pornography should not be lumped in with them to dismiss valid concerns and actual research with legitimate secure solutions
That’s what people said when they took away cigarette vending machines. Why should adults have to suffer because other people can’t control their children
I guess if you still hold that belief, then it is fair you think ID for internet pron is also wrong. Though I imagine most people support the controling of alcohol and cigarette sales. In which case internet pornography should fall into the same category
What about the devices you don’t own?
And regardless, how are parents that struggle to setup their email going to keep their kid from accessing porn? What would you have them do? Install a 3rd party software? Setup a local DNS filter? Prevent them from using devices that can access the internet? When it is as easy as googling “naked girl” how on earth are parents going to stop them from access it. The answer? The aren’t. There is nothing even the most diligent parent can do to stop them from accessing it while it is so readily accessible.
You haven’t demonstrated what harm comes from googling naked girl and seeing boobs.
If you want devices with parental control you will need to pay for them.
Devices like school computers already have such. This won’t stop a determined person from borrowing their friends phone and googling naked girl but that is a reasonable trade off honestly.
I don’t want to turn the entire Internet into 1984 so your kids doesn’t see boobs until he’s 18
I cannot, since I am not a researcher. The research is out there though.
If it is definitively negative, parents should not have to research, install, and pay for such restrictions onky to be easily avoided on another device.
I don’t have kids. This about an entire generation and all future ones. Have you read 1984? While sueveillance is a part of it, it’s largely about authoritarianism and the control of reality itself. Being ID’d for a porn site is not that. 1984 is already happening, and the porn has nothing to do with it. Regardless, you have made no comment on the idea that I want it done with zero knowledge proof. The site would know nothing about you except you are over 18. There is absolutely nothing 1984 about that
Which country anywhere has ever implemented a zero knowledge proof of age rather than using a id or information trivially linkable to an id. The answer is none have none intend to and none will its a complete fabrication to cover actual reality.
Nor is it liable to be limited to outright porno.
The truth is out there is what people say about big foot, the flat earth, UFOs, and lizard people.
You have to pay monthly for devices that access the internet at all. It doesn’t seem unreasonable that YOU not everyone should have to pay for something that is safe for your 8 year old rather than just getting your 8 year old an Ipad and wifi. This forum isn’t safe for an 8 year old.
Because there is no indication that that is ever going to happen. Either nothing with happen. A few hardcore porn sites will get age gating because they want to do legit business whilst others hosted in other countries will do nothing ensuring your teen still finds boobs when he searches OR we will go full on 1984 and this will mostly be used to suppress the entire free and open internet in the US.
Your fantasy that this will be done safely is just an indication that you are stupid.
https://www.newamerica.org/oti/briefs/exploring-privacy-preserving-age-verification/
So no country in the world has such a system that actually protects privacy in practice
Right now, yes. But this is all still very new. There was a point in time where all internet traffic was HTTP. Would you have called me stupid for suggesting internet traffic would be encrypted in the future? My point is research is being done, and it can be done securely. If it can be done securely, it seems most arguments against it would no longer be applicable. There would still be the issue of convenience, but this whole 1984 idea would not apply here. There are so many other area’s that are more concerning as far as ideas that 1984 goes. The current US government is constantly denying reality and manipulating history. Controlling harmful internet pornography should not be lumped in with them to dismiss valid concerns and actual research with legitimate secure solutions
Literally none of this is my problem. I do not give two shits what other people’s children do on the Internet.
That’s what people said when they took away cigarette vending machines. Why should adults have to suffer because other people can’t control their children
Those people were correct.
I guess if you still hold that belief, then it is fair you think ID for internet pron is also wrong. Though I imagine most people support the controling of alcohol and cigarette sales. In which case internet pornography should fall into the same category