Im having beers at bar ordered wings and tipped $2 everything the bartender brings me.
Beer = $6
tip for beer $2
wings = $20ish
Tip for wings from bartender = $2
Total tips = $4
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Same order from waitress/er = $26
Tip = $5.20
Now I know this is micro example but extrapolate this over several drinks with food and the difference swings the other way. The question remains tho, am I tipping correctly?
You’re tipping too much.
In Michigan we passed a law requiring minimum wage for all tipped workers by 2030(?), and they FLIPPED THEIR SHIT. Said they would lose too much money in tips if they made minimum wage. The republicans rolled it back below minimum (still a small increase), and I’m not sure where it stands right now.
If tipped workers are going to fight against wage increases so much, then I’m okay reducing their tips.
there is already a federal law about it. Minimum is already minimum for everyone. Tipped positions simply let the employer save some of that money. If you didn’t tip, the employer must pay the full wage.
You also have a thing where the minimum wage is far below the actual market rate, the typical wage in the area, and actually making minimum wage is way less than any other job. Nobody wants 7.25 an hour unless you’re forced to.
Unpopular opinion, but maybe servers (and most everyone) deserve more than minimum wage. And I’m not saying the consumer should be paying it, they should be paid their money’s worth by their employer.
Michigan non-tip min wage is what like $10? Who the hell can survive on that?
Correct they deserve more and they should negotiate it with their employer, not people who out eating food and smd drinking
I agree tipping should go away, but I’m wondering how those economics would work out? Most food places barely break even, I can’t see anyone being able to pay their servers more, so they would still pass that onto the customers.
Add to this that people aren’t really smart. I remember some time ago, some places testing out paying their waiters, plus showing how much food would be with tax included with no surprised. People preferred paying more with tipping, the big price sticker drove business away.
Each item on the menu should be priced all in, including the tax.
The market will sort out the rest. If place can’t get enough business while paying a living wage, they should go out of business so somebody else can come in who can make it work. Econ 101. Food and bars are 100% discretionary spend.
Whatever is happening now is no benefiting anyone besides owners and some some high earning waiters/bar tenders.
These clowns got brazen post COVID, so we are due for a push back.
A lot of them fail but the profitable ones are profitable. Owners just don’t want you know that because… you would ask why they don’t pay better.
If they “deserve” more they’d get more. I’m not sure why so many Americans think that wait staff should be paid more - it’s pretty much the most unqualified job in the world that pretty much anyone can do.
Pay is based on skill, qualifications/expertise, and return on investment. If anyone can do a job, it’s not going to pay well. If you start paying servers 2x minimum wage then all of a sudden there are hundreds/thousands of other jobs that need a 2x or more higher wage bump, and all of a sudden you’re paying base tech support $200k a year, and inflation is 30% a year, and people complaining that servers deserve more than $60/hour because $60 only buys you a small coffee thanks to the hyper inflation you caused by paying them 2x minimum wage.
How many years have you worked as a server that allowed you to make this assessment?
You’re not seriously going to argue that a job that requires no qualifications or skills and is regularly done by children is a difficult job, are you? I worked at mcdonalds back in the day during high school and uni, spent my fair share of time on the counter taking peoples orders. It’s not hard, which is why like I said, it’s a standard job for people with zero qualifications and who just need some money to keep them afloat.
Why do you think it’s not one of the most basic jobs that anyone can do?
That’s not a tipped job. Literally a job that forbids tips.
You are equating working fast food with the job a server performs.
I don’t know why or how and do not see that changing, potentially ever. You do not display any signs of the prerequisite intellectual curiosity to change your uninformed opinion on the matter.
Working fast food counters is “serving”. You’re taking orders and delivering food.
I’m sorry, but being a server is not a hard job. It’s not a job that requires any extra skills. It’s a job that pretty much anyone can do if they want to, hence the low pay, high turnover, and it being a “backup job” for people like struggling actors, uni students, etc.
Also can you please answer my questions?
You’re not seriously going to argue that a job that requires no qualifications or skills and is regularly done by children is a difficult job, are you?
Why do you think it’s not one of the most basic jobs that anyone can do?
You are a free market maxi and this aint a free market. Chamber of commercie spends good money to lobby to suppress wages among other parasite.
This take is ignores this fact. why?
Minimum wage is the minimum they can be paid, not the maximum. If the job “deserves” more than minimum wage it will pay more than minimum wage.
“Servers” are a job that requires basically zero skills, and is often done by literal children. I’m sorry but if there was ever a job that was only deserving of minimum wage, it’s that one.
The minimum wage when it was instituted was designed to represent the minimum wage needed for a single worked to support a family.
Additionally all labor is skilled labor. You either need school or experience to perform a job. I can drop a highly educated neurosurgeon into a restaurant. Without instructions they will fail at the job.
Anyway, all labor deserves a living wage. If you work a full week you should be able to support yourself comfortably.
No, it’s not. When people use the term “unskilled” for jobs it doesn’t mean “you literally have to have zero skills, not even the ability to user your hands, to do it” - it means you only need a limited skill set and is a job that has minimal economic value. Essentially it’s a job that anyone at any stage could walk into and be able to do with minimal training.
That has always been how the skilled/unskilled labor gap has been broken up. You might not like it, but that’s what it means. There is nothing about a server’s role that makes it a “skilled” job that requires highly specialized skills that someone would have to go and get qualifications and study for. It’s taking orders and carrying the orders out to people when someone else, often a skilled laborer like a chef for example, prepares them. Asking for drink orders and if everything is ok with the meal is not “skilled labor”.
Agreed 100%. Unfortunately COVID (and everything since, like the “renewable energy” push) and most countries’ governments absolutely moronic handling of it has completely destroyed any hopes of this. Getting everyone from minimum wage workers upwards to be able to afford to “live comfortably” requires either a massive, massive recession with 50%+ deflation, or…well there’s really no other way. Maybe a UBI, and I wish more places would trial it, but apart from that there is no real solution that anyone has been able to suggest.
You’ve bought the lie they’ve been telling forever. Every person that goes to work is performing skilled labor. The only thing a person can do that doesn’t take any skill is being born rich.
Rich assholes that do nothing other than “invest” into a buisness. Every dime made from there is off the backs of working folks. Without our skills the wealthy would be poor.
I haven’t bought any lie, I’m telling you the definitions of skilled/unskilled labor that have been in use forever.
Ok so your idea of skill is simply…not dropping dead. Gotcha.
No matter what you want to think, serving tables is one of the easiest and least-skilled jobs in the world. It’s why literal kids do it, it’s why it’s paid less than minimum wage, and it’s why it’s a last resort for many of the people who do it. Literally anyone can know how to do it with maybe an hour of training from another server. It’s not a “skilled” job. It’s a “bare minimum of being able to function in a society” skill level job.
Let me ask you this -do you think that investing is a skill? Choosing what to invest in and when and how much?
I guarantee this person has never waited tables.
I have my doubts on if they’ve ever worked a job.
So do you think it’s not a job that anyone can learn with an hour or 2 training? You think it’s a specialized skill?
I mean they are required to be paid minimum at the end of the day anyways
If they don’t make tips at all, they get paid minimum wage. If they do they can be pets less as long as tips make up the difference.
I used to work for a payroll company who had a bunch of restaurant clients. Some of those servers made bank. I’d fight it as well.
LOL, you’re Mr. Pink in Reservoir Dogs. :)