So, upon reading the article, the NTSB concluded the driver was extremely fatigued.
Do truck drivers not get tired where your from? Is this incident really an indictment of the entire United States? Is the rest of the world a tragedy-free paradise?
IMO driving while tired is worse as the impairment creeps up on you for hours and you can stop at any time. There should be almost no impairment in your decision making.
On drugs it conceivable that you took a couple of shots and then your drunken mind decided to drive. In this case the decision to drive was made by someone impaired.
If you drive in a professional capacity your employer should be held accountable too. People that drive their employees to drive unsave should lose their business and spend some time in jail.
Doesn’t mean much. Police violence cases are regularly ignored by prosecutors and judges due to lack of public interest/insufficient evidence you didn’t deserve to be battered.
I’m not ignoring their deaths. Send him to jail for a year, sure. But it won’t fix the problem and it will allow him to experience life inside prison. I don’t think they teach vehicle maintenance in there.
No, because we have mandatory breaks and such. Every second gets fully recorded and stored for authorities to check. Driving without sleep just isn’t worth the risk of losing your license
“Premeditated” in the context of homicide means someone intended to kill someone else. That is, they set into motion a course of actions because they believed that course of action would result in the death of a person.
Homicide in the context of fatigue or impairment are not usually premeditated because people generally do not put themselves in those cognitive states believing that doing so will result in the death of someone else.
Historically judicial systems have recognized that those cognitive states are more likely to result in unintentional deaths so do hold people operating vehicles under those conditions to a higher standard of punishment than, say, a sober person involved in a fatal crash. At the same time they consider intent and hold people in those circumstances to a lower standard of punishment than those who actually intended to kill someone.
So, upon reading the article, the NTSB concluded the driver was extremely fatigued.
Do truck drivers not get tired where your from? Is this incident really an indictment of the entire United States? Is the rest of the world a tragedy-free paradise?
If you drive while tired and kill someone as a result that’s not an accident. You intentionally kept driving instead of pulling over and taking a nap.
There is effectively no difference in drunk driving and driving while extremely tired. Both impair your driving ability equally.
IMO driving while tired is worse as the impairment creeps up on you for hours and you can stop at any time. There should be almost no impairment in your decision making.
On drugs it conceivable that you took a couple of shots and then your drunken mind decided to drive. In this case the decision to drive was made by someone impaired.
If you drive in a professional capacity your employer should be held accountable too. People that drive their employees to drive unsave should lose their business and spend some time in jail.
I largely agree, but the Maricopa prosecutor and judge saw it differently.
Edit: Downvotes don’t change reality.
Doesn’t mean much. Police violence cases are regularly ignored by prosecutors and judges due to lack of public interest/insufficient evidence you didn’t deserve to be battered.
Yeah, that’s very true. That driver also doesn’t deserve to get convicted of something more severe than what he actually did.
he killed 2 people
seems like he did plenty
Never had to report to a boss, eh?
i don’t care enough about your boss to ignore 2 people dying
it should be negligent homicide unless mechanical failure can be proven and even then he should have to show proper upkeep
cars are 1000 pound+ death machines if people don’t respect the responsibility they should face more then this dude is getting
I’m not ignoring their deaths. Send him to jail for a year, sure. But it won’t fix the problem and it will allow him to experience life inside prison. I don’t think they teach vehicle maintenance in there.
if it was due to negligence, there has to be real consequences, we have non violent drug offenders doing more time
if nothing else he shouldn’t get his license back
No, because we have mandatory breaks and such. Every second gets fully recorded and stored for authorities to check. Driving without sleep just isn’t worth the risk of losing your license
So does the United States in their trucking industry. This guy just fucked up horribly. He is not, however, a murderer which implies premeditation.
Driving drunk is also premeditated. As should lack of sleep be
“Premeditated” in the context of homicide means someone intended to kill someone else. That is, they set into motion a course of actions because they believed that course of action would result in the death of a person.
Homicide in the context of fatigue or impairment are not usually premeditated because people generally do not put themselves in those cognitive states believing that doing so will result in the death of someone else.
Historically judicial systems have recognized that those cognitive states are more likely to result in unintentional deaths so do hold people operating vehicles under those conditions to a higher standard of punishment than, say, a sober person involved in a fatal crash. At the same time they consider intent and hold people in those circumstances to a lower standard of punishment than those who actually intended to kill someone.
I’m glad you and everyone else chose that double shift.
So if someone got really tired and plowed into a bunch of ICE agents would get the same sentence?