What’s up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?

It’s not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.

Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.

Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?

  • @CybranM@feddit.nu
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    Doesn’t make much difference if it’s a western poll, the respondents are still in China (correct me if I’m wrong).

    I wouldn’t trust the response from someone in Moscow being interviewed by some western news media either.

    The west is also spying on their own citizens but are obviously not repressing dissent like the three mentioned countries.

    • davel [he/him]
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      86 days ago

      Doesn’t make much difference if it’s a western poll, the respondents are still in China (correct me if I’m wrong).

      I wouldn’t trust the response from someone in Moscow being interviewed by some western news media either.

      “What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy”. From Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts & Reds:

      In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.

      If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.


      The west is also spying on their own citizens but are obviously not repressing dissent like the three mentioned countries.

      Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.Rosa Luxemburg

      Often we can say whatever we want in the West because often our voices have virtually no political power[1][2], and yet we are silenced & repressed, sometimes violently.

      Just look at this very moment to those speaking out against the genocide of Palestinians that is supported by Western governments. Look at the German government’s repression and arrests, for one.

      I could go on for hours with examples over the last century, including a list of assassinations by Western states of their own people for speaking out.

      • @CybranM@feddit.nu
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        Alright, may I ask if you’d trust a poll of North Koreans to be truthful?

        Often we can say whatever we want in the West because often our voices have virtually no political power[1][2], and yet we are silenced & repressed, sometimes violently.

        I’ve already asked another commenter this but it’s valid here too: Would you class the western oppression of dissent to be on the same level as that famous student protest in China?

        • davel [he/him]
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          Alright, may I ask if you’d trust a poll of North Koreans to be truthful?

          That depends on how the hypothetical poll is done. The think that if these particular, multiple, non-hypothetical polls of China by Western organizations that Hikle referred to say that Chinese people feel that their government is working for them, is improving their material conditions. and that their voices are being heard, that is reliable.

          I’ve already asked another commenter this but it’s valid here too: Would you class the western oppression of dissent to be on the same level as that famous student protest in China?

          Only someone misinformed about the 1989 protest and US/CIA/NED-orchestrated, murderously violent riot would ask this, which to be fair is 99% of Westerners.

      • @CybranM@feddit.nu
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        -55 days ago

        Does it make you feel powerful to be rude to other people?

        You’re not forced to read what I write, you can just leave you know

        • @AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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          44 days ago

          I feel frustration and annoyance watching people argue in bad faith which is then relieved by yelling at them over it

          it’s not like my criticism is lacking substance.

    • Cowbee [he/they]
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      76 days ago

      Why on Earth would you not trust Chinese citizens to respond honestly? Further, the west is repressing dissent, just look at what happens to pro-Palestine protestors.

      • @CybranM@feddit.nu
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        -45 days ago

        Why on Earth would you not trust Chinese citizens to respond honestly?

        Yeah I wonder why

        Would you class the western oppression of dissent to be on the same level as that famous student protest in China?

        • Cowbee [he/they]
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          35 days ago

          I’d say western oppression of dissent is at the same level or greater than the PRC, yes. Most importantly, the west is made up of dictatorships of capital, while the working class is in power in the PRC, meaning there are more people that oppose the system in the west than in China.

          • @CybranM@feddit.nu
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            -45 days ago

            Alright, I’d rather get some water cannon and tear gas thrown at me than being run over by an APC or shot but to each their own I suppose.

              • @CybranM@feddit.nu
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                I don’t live in the US lol, I dont like them either

                You bringing a single video of a police car where none of the protestors (who are surrounding the police car and being aggressive) got run over to show how comparable it is Tiananmen is laughable. But yes the rEd ScArE is clouding my judgement

                • Cowbee [he/they]
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                  The riots around Beijing in 1989 were also aggressive. The protestors were firebombing and lynching unarmed PLA officers. That doesn’t mean the hundreds of deaths that day aren’t tragic, but it wasn’t the kind of wholesome, peaceful liberal protests the west makes it out to be. Today, protests against western states are met with violent crackdowns, police running over protestors, and more. The PRC on the other hand has an incredibly low crime rate, solves crime non-violently when possible, and has far more support by the people in the first place.

                  You have no points. You don’t believe Chinese people, you don’t trust statistics, all you have is chauvanism, believing you know better than the people of China how they should govern themselves and who they should support.