What’s up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?
It’s not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.
Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.
Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?
I don’t see reason to demonize people at all not Americans not Chinese.
We should be in solidarity with everyone from the working class, no matter his or her place of birth.
Fighting for the working class always means fighting against oppressors.
In the historical period we live in us is the worst of them, but that doesn’t make other ones good.
Freedom of minorities, press, and assembly are under atack nearly everywhere, in the us in the EU, in China and in Russia - but those are tools the working class needs to build a better system.
Bravo, you checked that the us government system has major flaws, may critically look at there enemies, for they are not even close to the ideals they pretend following.
Demonizing doesn’t help, but idolizing also doesn’t.
May try to fight for the people, not for the powerfull.
There is no system existing on this planet at the moment which will do that for you. Simping for one or the other oppressor doesn’t cut it, even if some are better then others, you need to fight for the people, not the powerful.
The way to fight for the people isn’t by going along with 100% of US propaganda about its state enemies.
Do you think that I should be taking a German fundamentalist ‘on a mission from god’ against china and communism as an authority on the oppression there when he doesn’t even speak the language and routinely fabricates evidence?
No?
Edit: don’t see your point. Its not like I am citing Donald trump…
I was referring to Adrian zenz, that guy seems to pop up in literally every western accusation about China at this point.
The most recent example being him as a ‘fluent’ mandarin speaker hearing the word “满勤奖” or ‘full attendance award’ from a recording in a factory and intentionally misrepresenting it as “Xinjiang.” That was then the basis for then claiming that there was evidence of forced labor in Xinjiang.
Ok… Not me
You know his work though, quoting you:
I found out about Adrian Zenz because he was showing up in every source whenever I tried to look into accusations about how “China masacered the Uigurs”[sic].
Maybe you should look into where information is coming from before citing it as provable fact.
edit: someone even directly replied to you asking you for a source other than him over two years ago
You misquote me -.-
In the mentioned post i was giving examples of verifiable and falsefiable claims.
The point is that those are statements which (given enough time and info) can be proben right of wrong, while statements like “Einstein was wrong” “stalin was right” are not, because they are too broad and don’t have a definitive and absolute binary “true” or “false” category.
This discussion is a waste of time
You gave that as an example of a provable claim. We can clearly see proof of ‘Israel’ massacring Palestinians, and have had new evidence appearing every day of the occupation.
Do you have any proof of your claim that doesn’t come exclusively filtered through a right wing fundamentalist?
Who are you citing then? Which accusations from the West against China do you not believe? Are there any?
The working class of the PRC is the class in power! This is chauvanism, why on Earth do you get to say that the working class needs to overthrow the socialist system they support? This is a deeply western viewpoint you have, the Chinese working class already overthrew their oppressors last century.
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What’s your point, exactly? Is this just an unrelated jab at the DPRK? Are you saying people can only support their governments if they are brainwashed? Brainwashing doesn’t even exist, it was a concept invented by the west to explain why citizens of socialist countries support their system, which they failed to replicate with MKUltra:
Ultimately, polling in support of the PRC is extremely consistent, even when taken from western orgs.
You don’t appear to have any point supported by data, just failed Cold War conspiracy theories.
Haha, where did you get brainwashing from? I would trust polling from the notorious big-brother state of China about as much as from Russia or NK, that is to say, not much at all.
Because this is western polling in China, for one, and for two, the west is also made up of “big brother states.”
Doesn’t make much difference if it’s a western poll, the respondents are still in China (correct me if I’m wrong).
I wouldn’t trust the response from someone in Moscow being interviewed by some western news media either.
The west is also spying on their own citizens but are obviously not repressing dissent like the three mentioned countries.
“What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy”. From Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts & Reds:
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains. — Rosa Luxemburg
Often we can say whatever we want in the West because often our voices have virtually no political power[1][2], and yet we are silenced & repressed, sometimes violently.
Just look at this very moment to those speaking out against the genocide of Palestinians that is supported by Western governments. Look at the German government’s repression and arrests, for one.
I could go on for hours with examples over the last century, including a list of assassinations by Western states of their own people for speaking out.
Alright, may I ask if you’d trust a poll of North Koreans to be truthful?
I’ve already asked another commenter this but it’s valid here too: Would you class the western oppression of dissent to be on the same level as that famous student protest in China?
“There is literally no type of evidence I will accept to say I am wrong”
Then fuck off maybe? Shut the fuck up?
Does it make you feel powerful to be rude to other people?
You’re not forced to read what I write, you can just leave you know
Why on Earth would you not trust Chinese citizens to respond honestly? Further, the west is repressing dissent, just look at what happens to pro-Palestine protestors.
Yeah I wonder why
Would you class the western oppression of dissent to be on the same level as that famous student protest in China?