Then, this question comes to mind, why do you have 5 kids?
I’ve got way more money than I’d ever need but would still consider myself not loaded enough to have ONE kid, let alone two or even more. And I live in a place with universal healthcare and a social safety net.
Kids are fucking expensive. And I would want my kids to have EVERY chance at this world. And this world, especially the USA, is made against the poor(-ish). They shall not rise.
My wife and I are in our 30s with three degrees between the two of us and no kids and still aren’t “don’t have to look at our bank account before buying groceries” rich. It sounds like you might need to check your privilege.
So they’re wealthier than you. Why is that a problem? In the ongoing class war we’re all still on the same side. There’s no need for division over minor differences in wealth. Indeed that’s one of the tools of the owner class to keep workers from achieving class solidarity. Let’s not play into their hands.
The person I replied to is being an asshole and needs to remember their own privilege. This has nothing to do with a class war and everything to do with that commenter’s attitude to the person they replied to.
Pretty sure it’s because they are saying being able to afford groceries without worrying about cost makes you rich. Which it really doesn’t.
Rich is relative. If you’re making $500k but have 10 kids, you’re almost certainly not rich. Kids are expensive. You just make a lot of money.
Potential disposable income is what differentiates. $500k as a single person with no kids is going to make you rich, even in the highest cost of living areas. You simply don’t have high expenses unless you purposefully get expense stuff.
I mean I didn’t say that was poor, right? It’s nice. I’m not complaining. But it’s not filthy rich.
We have a 15-20 years on you. I hope you get there. Fifteen years ago… we were barely scraping by. I think my wife was practically a professional couponer. We couldn’t afford for her to work. We had a car repossessed.
I wasn’t trying to argue other than the idea that I don’t realize my privilege — I did still call not having to check my bank account for groceries “rich”, right?
We must be having two very different conversations.
I guess. My problem is with you trying to delineate varying levels of “rich” like “filthy rich” was anything other than an opinion to begin with. Adding in that my opinion is that if you can afford to feed 7 mouths without budgeting in this economy then you really shouldn’t be trying to defend yourself as not “filthy rich”.
My initial comment was meant cynically.
“Filthy rich” surely doesn’t apply to someone that can feed some people without budgeting. That is not living, that is survival. Here (Germany) we’d say you’d need about 250k for a kid til it gets 18. Working-class-level. It gets waaaay higher with private schools and such.
And we don’t even pay for healthcare (unless you want to) nor college.
4 kids comes to a mil. And that’s just the kids. Parents are likely living some place and maybe even have hobbies besides working and kids (though probably not with that many kids)
I was referring to a level of “filthy rich” where you have that amount of cash for each kids AND yourselves. And in the case of the USA even another 100k (or whatever) for each kid’s college.
And oh boy will all that money go to waste if one kid ends up sick.
And maybe your kid wants to go to some famous school or want a pony or become a skydiver.
But hey, to each their own. I wouldn’t even find the time for a job with all my hobbies, let alone one single kid 😁
It doesn’t matter if you meant to be cynical or not. My wife and I literally cannot afford to have any kids and this asshole is humble bragging about being able to afford 5. It was a tone deaf comment at best and I felt like calling it out. I’m honestly not sure why you and I got pounced on by the hivemind for it.
Ah who cares. One must NEVER dare to speak against breeding. To me it’s child-abuse to throw kids knowingly into poverty. But to most people it’s their birthright to procreate and they love doing it. You’re not fulfilled until you have offspring.
Just be glad you’re not one of them and simply THINK before. Even if the result might not be what you guys want.
…do you not think there are varying levels of wealth? I don’t have to check my bank account before I go shopping, but I’m also not getting a steak or stocking up on cocktails or anything like that. I can’t go out and buy a house. I can’t go out and buy a car. I can’t go out and buy a computer or a gaming console or a fancy purse. I simply am comfortable enough to afford basic foods without worry.
If that makes me FILTHY RICH, then I would love to know how you describe the people with actual generational wealth.
I’m curious how you can be in that situation but still have to watch what groceries you buy. I can only guess you live in a high cost of living area and/or have a lot of debt to pay off.
I’m single, no kids, have my own house, and also in my 30s. I don’t have to watch what groceries I buy but I do anyway. I’d rather spend that money on vacations.
I’m in an above average situation but definitely not rich by any stretch of the imagination. I still have to budget if I want to take most any vacation. That can get expensive even if it’s some place you drive to.
I have five kids. Definitely not filthy rich.
I am “don’t have to look at my bank account before buying groceries” rich, not “putting my kids through college” rich.
Then, this question comes to mind, why do you have 5 kids?
I’ve got way more money than I’d ever need but would still consider myself not loaded enough to have ONE kid, let alone two or even more. And I live in a place with universal healthcare and a social safety net. Kids are fucking expensive. And I would want my kids to have EVERY chance at this world. And this world, especially the USA, is made against the poor(-ish). They shall not rise.
My wife and I are in our 30s with three degrees between the two of us and no kids and still aren’t “don’t have to look at our bank account before buying groceries” rich. It sounds like you might need to check your privilege.
So they’re wealthier than you. Why is that a problem? In the ongoing class war we’re all still on the same side. There’s no need for division over minor differences in wealth. Indeed that’s one of the tools of the owner class to keep workers from achieving class solidarity. Let’s not play into their hands.
The person I replied to is being an asshole and needs to remember their own privilege. This has nothing to do with a class war and everything to do with that commenter’s attitude to the person they replied to.
Believe it or not, no, you are being the asshole right now.
How?
Pretty sure it’s because they are saying being able to afford groceries without worrying about cost makes you rich. Which it really doesn’t.
Rich is relative. If you’re making $500k but have 10 kids, you’re almost certainly not rich. Kids are expensive. You just make a lot of money.
Potential disposable income is what differentiates. $500k as a single person with no kids is going to make you rich, even in the highest cost of living areas. You simply don’t have high expenses unless you purposefully get expense stuff.
I guess that’s where we are all disagreeing here. My opinion is that taking on more expenditures doesn’t make you less rich.
Math isn’t opinion based
Telling someone to check their privilege when they tried to accurately describe the level of rich they are?
In what way is that person being an asshole? Did they call you a poor loser?
I mean I didn’t say that was poor, right? It’s nice. I’m not complaining. But it’s not filthy rich.
We have a 15-20 years on you. I hope you get there. Fifteen years ago… we were barely scraping by. I think my wife was practically a professional couponer. We couldn’t afford for her to work. We had a car repossessed.
I really don’t think you are arguing what you think you are arguing. But good for you I guess.
I wasn’t trying to argue other than the idea that I don’t realize my privilege — I did still call not having to check my bank account for groceries “rich”, right?
We must be having two very different conversations.
I guess. My problem is with you trying to delineate varying levels of “rich” like “filthy rich” was anything other than an opinion to begin with. Adding in that my opinion is that if you can afford to feed 7 mouths without budgeting in this economy then you really shouldn’t be trying to defend yourself as not “filthy rich”.
My initial comment was meant cynically. “Filthy rich” surely doesn’t apply to someone that can feed some people without budgeting. That is not living, that is survival. Here (Germany) we’d say you’d need about 250k for a kid til it gets 18. Working-class-level. It gets waaaay higher with private schools and such. And we don’t even pay for healthcare (unless you want to) nor college. 4 kids comes to a mil. And that’s just the kids. Parents are likely living some place and maybe even have hobbies besides working and kids (though probably not with that many kids)
I was referring to a level of “filthy rich” where you have that amount of cash for each kids AND yourselves. And in the case of the USA even another 100k (or whatever) for each kid’s college. And oh boy will all that money go to waste if one kid ends up sick. And maybe your kid wants to go to some famous school or want a pony or become a skydiver.
But hey, to each their own. I wouldn’t even find the time for a job with all my hobbies, let alone one single kid 😁
It doesn’t matter if you meant to be cynical or not. My wife and I literally cannot afford to have any kids and this asshole is humble bragging about being able to afford 5. It was a tone deaf comment at best and I felt like calling it out. I’m honestly not sure why you and I got pounced on by the hivemind for it.
Ah who cares. One must NEVER dare to speak against breeding. To me it’s child-abuse to throw kids knowingly into poverty. But to most people it’s their birthright to procreate and they love doing it. You’re not fulfilled until you have offspring. Just be glad you’re not one of them and simply THINK before. Even if the result might not be what you guys want.
…do you not think there are varying levels of wealth? I don’t have to check my bank account before I go shopping, but I’m also not getting a steak or stocking up on cocktails or anything like that. I can’t go out and buy a house. I can’t go out and buy a car. I can’t go out and buy a computer or a gaming console or a fancy purse. I simply am comfortable enough to afford basic foods without worry.
If that makes me FILTHY RICH, then I would love to know how you describe the people with actual generational wealth.
They said what kind of rich they were, and what kind they’re not. They know their privilege.
Still doesn’t mean they could afford to pay legal fees to get their child back due to overindulgence in poppies.
I’m curious how you can be in that situation but still have to watch what groceries you buy. I can only guess you live in a high cost of living area and/or have a lot of debt to pay off.
I’m single, no kids, have my own house, and also in my 30s. I don’t have to watch what groceries I buy but I do anyway. I’d rather spend that money on vacations.
I’m in an above average situation but definitely not rich by any stretch of the imagination. I still have to budget if I want to take most any vacation. That can get expensive even if it’s some place you drive to.
If we knew we probably wouldn’t still be in this situation.
The opposite. We live in a black hole of such low cost that it’s basically impossible to leave without already having a job offer from somewhere else.
We haven’t been able to afford a vacation in 15 years together there is always something else we must spend money on.
Maybe it’s your crabs in a bucket mentality holding you down, bro.