Burton said the woman (…) didn’t see the flashing yellow lights — although they don’t require drivers to yield, either, according to state statute. Only flashing red lights require drivers to stop and yield to those walking and biking.
“There’s no signage that says that requires a driver to slow, stop, yield right of way — anything,”
Am I getting this right: yellow flashing lights at a crossing, presumably installed officially, are legally meaningless? Isn’t putting them there an act of deliberately misleading pedestrians/cyclists then?
It’s absolutely insane, that means it’s not a pedestrian crossing it’s a pedestrian trap to bait them into crossing where drivers can legally run them over.
There is a lot of malpractice going on in traffic engineering (I say as a person trained as a traffic engineer). In a sane world, the engineer of record would lose his license for this sort of shit.
Who do you think writes the MUTCD, deciding which signage and road markings carry the force of law and which don’t (i.e. which are ‘regulatory’ and which are ‘advisory’)? Who do you think decides to use a particular type of signage and marking in a particular situation?
This was 100% on the engineer, who specified a design inappropriate for the situation.
What he’s saying is “the traffic engineers decided to use a flashing yellow indicator, which means nothing and carries no legal force, over a traditional stoplight or flashing red, which would require yielding.” Intersections, like every mile of roadway, are designed and signed off on somewhere by some engineer.
@A_norny_mousse@logicbomb Every state has some version of duty of care or expectation that a driver maintain control of their vehicle to avoid collisions. Passing stopped cars in two adjacent lanes before hitting the person crossing under a flashing yellow light is definitely an indication of negligence. There was clearly some traffic engineer negligence too, but if police/the DA wanted to at least put a mark on the driver’s record for killing the victim, they absolutely could.
Wouldnt matter, only a fucking moron would think the can demand priority/right of way. You wait for cars to stop, because if they dont, well, this happens. So many people think that being right is some kind of shield, its not. Being right will get you killed just as quickly as being wrong. Even when its a red light, if youre stepping out in front of a 2 tonne death machine, you make sure its stopped first.
@Bennyboybumberchums@A_norny_mousse Do you say this about motorists who are proceeding through an intersection with a green light when someone comes along speeding on the cross street, fails to stop, and t-bones them?
Yes I do. Priority/right of way is not taken, it is given. Had loads of fucking idiots speeding through shit they werent supposed to. LOOKING, saved my life on many occasions over my 30 years of driving. As I said, being right isnt a protective shield.
lol that happened to me on a motorbike, except I swerved, avoided them, but still ate shit. Assume everyone else on the road are idiots or you will get hurt.
Am I getting this right: yellow flashing lights at a crossing, presumably installed officially, are legally meaningless? Isn’t putting them there an act of deliberately misleading pedestrians/cyclists then?
It’s absolutely insane, that means it’s not a pedestrian crossing it’s a pedestrian trap to bait them into crossing where drivers can legally run them over.
There is a lot of malpractice going on in traffic engineering (I say as a person trained as a traffic engineer). In a sane world, the engineer of record would lose his license for this sort of shit.
https://bookwyrm.social/book/1907724/s/killed-by-a-traffic-engineer
thank you
https://bookwyrm.social/book/320954/s/confessions-of-a-recovering-engineer
See also: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4ZJBLI7Y9Vo-ogDOzMgLk1RrxAphs0Yv
That’s not an engineer thing that’s a law thing.
Who do you think writes the MUTCD, deciding which signage and road markings carry the force of law and which don’t (i.e. which are ‘regulatory’ and which are ‘advisory’)? Who do you think decides to use a particular type of signage and marking in a particular situation?
This was 100% on the engineer, who specified a design inappropriate for the situation.
… If you think engineers make laws…
Do you have the air of a confidently incorrect Redditor garbage person?
Do you?
No u type response. Later chud. I will not be responding further. Thank you for proving my point
Personal attack kind of responses, plural. Have a great day!
For the amusement of the rest of us, I’d love if you explained who you think writes building codes, electrical codes, municipal street codes, etc etc
Hmm hostility and wants an answer. Tell me how that goes in life.
What he’s saying is “the traffic engineers decided to use a flashing yellow indicator, which means nothing and carries no legal force, over a traditional stoplight or flashing red, which would require yielding.” Intersections, like every mile of roadway, are designed and signed off on somewhere by some engineer.
@A_norny_mousse @logicbomb Every state has some version of duty of care or expectation that a driver maintain control of their vehicle to avoid collisions. Passing stopped cars in two adjacent lanes before hitting the person crossing under a flashing yellow light is definitely an indication of negligence. There was clearly some traffic engineer negligence too, but if police/the DA wanted to at least put a mark on the driver’s record for killing the victim, they absolutely could.
A mark on the record for killing someone seems like a weak response.
They should lose their license and the intersection should be fixed.
Wouldnt matter, only a fucking moron would think the can demand priority/right of way. You wait for cars to stop, because if they dont, well, this happens. So many people think that being right is some kind of shield, its not. Being right will get you killed just as quickly as being wrong. Even when its a red light, if youre stepping out in front of a 2 tonne death machine, you make sure its stopped first.
@Bennyboybumberchums @A_norny_mousse Do you say this about motorists who are proceeding through an intersection with a green light when someone comes along speeding on the cross street, fails to stop, and t-bones them?
Yes I do. Priority/right of way is not taken, it is given. Had loads of fucking idiots speeding through shit they werent supposed to. LOOKING, saved my life on many occasions over my 30 years of driving. As I said, being right isnt a protective shield.
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lol that happened to me on a motorbike, except I swerved, avoided them, but still ate shit. Assume everyone else on the road are idiots or you will get hurt.