• @But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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    3•30 days ago

    I think what’s pissing me off about the US most right now, is even through the dumpster fire and their idiotic elected leader, Americans are STILL moraizing, looking down on others and being the world police

    • NeilBrü
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      9•30 days ago

      For the record, we average citizens don’t want to be the ā€œworld policeā€. This is what President Eisenhower was referring to as the ā€œMilitary Industrial Complexā€.

      Starting inĀ  theĀ  1980s,Ā  theĀ  UnitedĀ  States,Ā  whichĀ  insistedĀ  onĀ  strictĀ  termsĀ  forĀ  theĀ  re-payment ofĀ  ThirdĀ  WorldĀ  debt,Ā  itselfĀ  accruedĀ  debtsĀ  thatĀ  easilyĀ  dwarfed thoseĀ  ofĀ  theĀ  entireĀ  ThirdĀ  WorldĀ  combined — mainlyĀ  fueledĀ  byĀ  military spending.Ā  TheĀ  U.S.Ā  foreignĀ  debt,Ā  though,Ā  takesĀ  theĀ  formĀ  ofĀ  treasury bondsĀ  heldĀ  byĀ  institutionalĀ  investorsĀ  inĀ  countriesĀ  (Germany,Ā  Japan, SouthĀ  Korea,Ā  Taiwan,Ā  Thailand,Ā  theĀ  GulfĀ  States)Ā  thatĀ  areĀ  inĀ  mostĀ  cases, effectively,Ā  U.S.Ā  militaryĀ  protectorates,Ā  mostĀ  coveredĀ  inĀ  U.S.Ā  basesĀ  full ofĀ  armsĀ  andĀ  equipmentĀ  paidĀ  forĀ  withĀ  thatĀ  veryĀ  deficitĀ  spending.

      ThisĀ hasĀ  changedĀ  aĀ  littleĀ  nowĀ  thatĀ  ChinaĀ  hasĀ  gottenĀ  inĀ  onĀ  theĀ  gameĀ  (ChinaĀ isĀ  aĀ  specialĀ  case,Ā  forĀ  reasonsĀ  thatĀ  willĀ  beĀ  explainedĀ  later),Ā  butĀ  notĀ  veryĀ much — evenĀ  ChinaĀ  findsĀ  thatĀ  theĀ  factĀ  itĀ  holdsĀ  soĀ  manyĀ  U.S.Ā  treasury bondsĀ  makesĀ  itĀ  toĀ  someĀ  degreeĀ  beholdenĀ  toĀ  U.S.Ā  interests,Ā  ratherĀ  thanĀ theĀ  otherĀ  wayĀ  around.

      SoĀ  whatĀ  isĀ  theĀ  statusĀ  ofĀ  allĀ  thisĀ  moneyĀ  continuallyĀ  beingĀ  funneledĀ intoĀ  theĀ  U.S.Ā  treasury?Ā  AreĀ  theseĀ  loans?Ā  Or is it tribute? In the past,Ā militaryĀ  powersĀ  thatĀ  maintainedĀ  hundredsĀ  ofĀ  militaryĀ  basesĀ  outsideĀ theirĀ  ownĀ  homeĀ  territoryĀ  wereĀ  ordinarilyĀ  referredĀ  toĀ  asĀ  ā€œempires,ā€Ā  andĀ empiresĀ  regularlyĀ  demandedĀ  tributeĀ  fromĀ  subjectĀ  peoples. TheĀ  U.S. government,Ā  ofĀ  course,Ā  insistsĀ  thatĀ  itĀ  isĀ  notĀ  anĀ  empire — butĀ  oneĀ  couldĀ easilyĀ  makeĀ  aĀ  caseĀ  thatĀ  theĀ  onlyĀ  reasonĀ  itĀ  insistsĀ  onĀ  treatingĀ  theseĀ  payments asĀ  ā€œloansā€Ā  andĀ  notĀ  asĀ  ā€œtributeā€Ā  isĀ  preciselyĀ  toĀ  denyĀ  theĀ  realityĀ ofĀ  what’sĀ  goingĀ  on.

      • Except from the Beginning of David Graeber’s Debt: The First 5,000 Years
      • @kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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        1•30 days ago

        Nobody else appointed the US as ā€œworld policeā€.

        It’s a role that they gleefully took on so they could go around telling others what to do.

      • @But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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        -8•30 days ago

        The young left has become the world moral police and it has nothing to do with the military, right wing uses the military. The young left is just using shit slinging. But Americans need to get to the back of the line when it comes to moralizing or leading global issues, the rest of the world doesn’t want to hear it from Americans

        • NeilBrü
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          7•30 days ago

          I don’t understand anything you just typed. Who’s ā€œyoung leftā€? The global ā€œyoung leftā€? You think only the ā€œright wingā€ uses the military?

          And who should be leading global issues? Europeans? Chinese? Russians? Indians? G8? G20? UN? Who?

          Or is it that Americans are the only ones who can’t or shouldn’t be allowed to ā€œleadā€ or ā€œmoralizeā€?

          Genuinely confused.

          • @But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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            30 days ago

            Yes, Americans need to shut up, we don’t wanna hear it, fix your damn country before you start criticizing others. You only cheapen a movement by leading out and infecting it with your toxicity.

            It’s hard to explain who the ā€œleftā€ is in the US right now because you all think the left means just you and your group of friends. You are all punching left and fighting each other while the right is united and you guys let them win. You’re all so weird and you can’t see it from the inside, but the rest of us around the world don’t want to hear your opinion anymore

            • NeilBrü
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              3•30 days ago

              Opinion on what? Your country? The world? Geopolitics? What Americans are moralizing about anything to you? And about what? The young left? Who is the American version of Greta Thunberg?

              I moved to the Netherlands from the US in '22 out of necessity due to my Dutch wife’s medical diagnosis. I’m not here for the fun of it. Furthermore, I’ve been to 12 countries in total and I speak four languages, 2 of them fluently.

              I’ve noticed something.

              Every rural shit-heel out here in the Dutch countryside complaining about Moroccans and Turks sounds like a typical MAGA pussy to me. This breed of mouth breather has an iteration specific to every country I’ve been in. I’m sure I’ll find versions in Japan, China, Kyrgyzstan, Angola, Paraguay, and everywhere else someone says ā€œgod damned <insertEthnicSlurHere>, breathing up all our air.ā€

              So don’t preach to me how fucking ā€œenlightenedā€ the rest of the world is when the conservative puritanical nationalism that is in every conservative talking point globally got its birth right here in this part of the fucking world (Europe) before the United States even existed.

              I don’t know where you’re from but this tide of authoritarianism is global. The United States is a dumpster fire politically. But that fire did not start there and it’s clearly not the only trash receptacle burning right now.