• @Bloomcole@lemm.ee
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    -113 days ago

    Still one billion in 1804
    two billion in 1927
    three billion in 1960
    four billion in 1974
    five billion in 1987
    six billion in 1999
    seven billion in 2011
    eight billion in 2022

    Already too many for my taste.
    And no to all, don’t react with irrelevant “there’s enough food for…” or Malthusian bla bla

    • @rumba@lemmy.zip
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      013 days ago

      And no to all, don’t react with irrelevant “there’s enough food for…” or Malthusian bla bla

      So, don’t bother you with the downside of what’s actually going to happen? What’s in the middle of happening? You’re just going to do a little cherry-picking, then tell us don’t bother you with facts?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBudghsdByQ

      You can already see it in real time by looking at the demographics in South Korea and Japan. The only reason the numbers are offset is that a few countries are still net positive enough to offset them.

      Our great-grandkids are in for one hell of a ride. If we let it drop enough, they’ll be in forced breeding situations.

      • @Bloomcole@lemm.ee
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        -113 days ago

        A world with a lot less people sounds like a dream TBH.
        No overcrowded cities, no chasing animals of their land or destroying it for resources, etc…

          • @Bloomcole@lemm.ee
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            -113 days ago

            You sure have a sunny outlook.
            And it’s really going great now with all those people and their economies

            • @rumba@lemmy.zip
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              013 days ago

              My outlook is based on studies, and this crap is studied a lot. and also on readily observable evidence.

              It’s dire, and it’s not based on my opinion.

              • @Bloomcole@lemm.ee
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                -113 days ago

                Studies have been wrong before.
                Some things are foreseable, “the future” is a combination of plenty variables and impossible to predict.
                The single subject of population isn’t even simple.
                Little anecdote: I found an old school book, you know based on studies, and it had predictions for 15 years.
                They were off by a billion.
                Whatever it is, I’m not going to be a nihilist or fatalist for reasons and issues I have zero control over.
                I am living now and do the best with what I got.

                • @rumba@lemmy.zip
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                  012 days ago

                  Studies have been wrong before.

                  And people who just don’t like what most studies say and try to use that as an argument are overwhelmingly in the wrong. Perhaps you’re not, but I don’t like your chances.

                  I found an old school book, you know based on studies, and it had predictions for 15 years. They were off by a billion.

                  source please, sounds like good reading.

                  Whatever it is, I’m not going to be a nihilist or fatalist for reasons and issues I have zero control over. I am living now and do the best with what I got.

                  Settling for what you have because what’s coming is inconvenient is likely a core mechanism of the Fermi Paradox.

                  • @Bloomcole@lemm.ee
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                    -112 days ago

                    I don’t own that book and obviously wouldn’t since it’s outdated and wrong.
                    AFAIK most of the sources were UN or related.
                    And I think you make a lot of assumptions about me.
                    “just don’t like what most studies say” is wrong.
                    It doesn’t influence my thinking. They may be true or not, I will deal with them pragmatically since they are out of my control.
                    It is you who believes “what’s coming is inconvenient”. Catastrophic even.
                    What do you think you can or should do about the impending apocalypse?

            • @Zorque@lemmy.world
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              012 days ago

              The only reason to believe it would be better with less people is delusional fantasy.

              The problem isn’t population, it’s policy.